From our FAQ

[Bob]

9. Should A.A. Change?

Perhaps our very first realization should be that we can't stand
still. Now that our basic principles seem established, now that
our functioning is fairly effective and widespread, it would be
temptingly easy to settle down as merely one more useful agency
on the world. We could conclude that "AA is fine, just the way it
is." ... We have to grow or deteriorate. For us, the 'status
quo' can only be for today, never for tomorrow. Change we must;
we cannot stand still.

Seems to me there's even opposing conclusions as to what standing still
actually means.
Do those remaining here have predominantly well established recovery, or
well established prejudices - the antithesis of growth?

[Sharx335]

Post by Bob
9. Should A.A. Change?
Perhaps our very first realization should be that we can't stand
still. Now that our basic principles seem established, now that
our functioning is fairly effective and widespread, it would be
temptingly easy to settle down as merely one more useful agency
on the world. We could conclude that "AA is fine, just the way it
is." ... We have to grow or deteriorate. For us, the 'status
quo' can only be for today, never for tomorrow. Change we must;
we cannot stand still.
Seems to me there's even opposing conclusions as to what standing still
actually means.
Do those remaining here have predominantly well established recovery, or
well established prejudices - the antithesis of growth?

There's TWO things that many alcoholics don't like: 1. Change and 2.
Staying the same.

[Bob]

Post by Sharx335

Post by Bob
9. Should A.A. Change?
Perhaps our very first realization should be that we can't stand
still. Now that our basic principles seem established, now that
our functioning is fairly effective and widespread, it would be
temptingly easy to settle down as merely one more useful agency
on the world. We could conclude that "AA is fine, just the way it
is." ... We have to grow or deteriorate. For us, the 'status
quo' can only be for today, never for tomorrow. Change we must;
we cannot stand still.
Seems to me there's even opposing conclusions as to what standing still
actually means.
Do those remaining here have predominantly well established recovery, or
well established prejudices - the antithesis of growth?

There's TWO things that many alcoholics don't like: 1. Change and 2.
Staying the same.

((- change} + (- staying the same} = Complacency) + We have to grow or
deteriorate = We are deteriorating?

[badgolferman]

Post by Sharx335

Post by Bob
9. Should A.A. Change?
Perhaps our very first realization should be that we can't stand
still. Now that our basic principles seem established, now that
our functioning is fairly effective and widespread, it would be
temptingly easy to settle down as merely one more useful agency
on the world. We could conclude that "AA is fine, just the way it
is." ... We have to grow or deteriorate. For us, the 'status
quo' can only be for today, never for tomorrow. Change we must;
we cannot stand still.
Seems to me there's even opposing conclusions as to what standing still
actually means.
Do those remaining here have predominantly well established recovery, or
well established prejudices - the antithesis of growth?

There's TWO things that many alcoholics don't like: 1. Change and 2.
Staying the same.

AA has changed! The singleness of purpose is dead. The Big Book has been
rewritten. Homosexuality is actively promoted. Service work and 12th Step
work are avoided.

Congratulations on “improving” AA…

[Bob]

Post by badgolferman

Post by Sharx335

Post by Bob
9. Should A.A. Change?
Perhaps our very first realization should be that we can't stand
still. Now that our basic principles seem established, now that
our functioning is fairly effective and widespread, it would be
temptingly easy to settle down as merely one more useful agency
on the world. We could conclude that "AA is fine, just the way it
is." ... We have to grow or deteriorate. For us, the 'status
quo' can only be for today, never for tomorrow. Change we must;
we cannot stand still.
Seems to me there's even opposing conclusions as to what standing still
actually means.
Do those remaining here have predominantly well established recovery, or
well established prejudices - the antithesis of growth?

There's TWO things that many alcoholics don't like: 1. Change and 2.
Staying the same.

AA has changed! The singleness of purpose is dead. The Big Book has been
rewritten. Homosexuality is actively promoted. Service work and 12th Step
work are avoided.
Congratulations on “improving” AA…

If you're fair dinkum, and not farting through your mouth, now's your
chance!

From memory, there were about 100 araaers hangin around and sticking their
nose in when Ted H chaired the last FAQ summit.

Surely you could handle the handful left here to write them as they "should"
be written. Bloody hell, you could show those old time padres all is not
lost, and start the AA reformation (With Jon as HP - but that's tongue in
cheek) right here!

[badgolferman]

Post by Bob
From memory, there were about 100 araaers hangin around and sticking
their nose in when Ted H chaired the last FAQ summit.

We already did this about 4-5 years ago. I don't think you were here
then so it only took a few days rather than endless personal insults
from you extending the thread.

[Bob]

Post by badgolferman

Post by Bob
From memory, there were about 100 araaers hangin around and sticking
their nose in when Ted H chaired the last FAQ summit.

We already did this about 4-5 years ago. I don't think you were here
then so it only took a few days rather than endless personal insults
from you extending the thread.

Maybe because absolutely nothing in the FAQ was changed because you were
being your usual intransigent self, and everyone else gave up hope. ;-)

On my latest return here, expressing extreme guilt about that behaviour,
IIRC Ted H said words to the effect it didn't seem all that bad to him.
Given I can't recall you ever admitting your wrongs, maybe it was you that
made me look normal. :-)

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[Skeezix LaRocca]

Post by badgolferman

Post by Sharx335

Post by Bob
9. Should A.A. Change?
Perhaps our very first realization should be that we can't stand
still. Now that our basic principles seem established, now that
our functioning is fairly effective and widespread, it would be
temptingly easy to settle down as merely one more useful agency
on the world. We could conclude that "AA is fine, just the way it
is." ... We have to grow or deteriorate. For us, the 'status
quo' can only be for today, never for tomorrow. Change we must;
we cannot stand still.
Seems to me there's even opposing conclusions as to what standing still
actually means.
Do those remaining here have predominantly well established recovery, or
well established prejudices - the antithesis of growth?

There's TWO things that many alcoholics don't like: 1. Change and 2.
Staying the same.

AA has changed! The singleness of purpose is dead. The Big Book has been
rewritten. Homosexuality is actively promoted. Service work and 12th Step
work are avoided.
Congratulations on “improving” AA…

But Mike, on the bright side, it keeps guys like you, of the tight ass
persuasion engaged in the good fight, albeit a losing one.

[badgolferman]

Post by Skeezix LaRocca

Post by badgolferman

Post by Sharx335

Post by Bob
9. Should A.A. Change?
Perhaps our very first realization should be that we can't stand
still. Now that our basic principles seem established, now that
our functioning is fairly effective and widespread, it would be
temptingly easy to settle down as merely one more useful agency
on the world. We could conclude that "AA is fine, just the way it
is." ... We have to grow or deteriorate. For us, the 'status
quo' can only be for today, never for tomorrow. Change we must;
we cannot stand still.
Seems to me there's even opposing conclusions as to what standing still
actually means.
Do those remaining here have predominantly well established recovery, or
well established prejudices - the antithesis of growth?

There's TWO things that many alcoholics don't like: 1. Change and 2.
Staying the same.

AA has changed! The singleness of purpose is dead. The Big Book has been
rewritten. Homosexuality is actively promoted. Service work and 12th Step
work are avoided.
Congratulations on “improving” AA…

But Mike, on the bright side, it keeps guys like you, of the tight ass
persuasion engaged in the good fight, albeit a losing one.

Do you agree or disagree with the examples I provided? Are these changes
better?

[Pluted Pup]

Post by Bob
9. Should A.A. Change?
Perhaps our very first realization should be that we can't stand
still. Now that our basic principles seem established, now that
our functioning is fairly effective and widespread, it would be
temptingly easy to settle down as merely one more useful agency
on the world. We could conclude that "AA is fine, just the way it
is." ... We have to grow or deteriorate. For us, the 'status
quo' can only be for today, never for tomorrow. Change we must;
we cannot stand still.
Seems to me there's even opposing conclusions as to what standing still
actually means.
Do those remaining here have predominantly well established recovery, or
well established prejudices - the antithesis of growth?

Q) Should the Big Book accept advertising?

A) We have to grow or deteriorate.

Q) Should the Big Book have erotic pictures in it?

A) Change we must, we cannot stand still.

Q) Should AA endorse political candidates?

A) It would be temptingly easy to settle down as merely a useful agency;
the status quo can only be for today, never for tomorrow.

[Bob]

Post by Pluted Pup

Post by Bob
9. Should A.A. Change?
Perhaps our very first realization should be that we can't stand
still. Now that our basic principles seem established, now that
our functioning is fairly effective and widespread, it would be
temptingly easy to settle down as merely one more useful agency
on the world. We could conclude that "AA is fine, just the way it
is." ... We have to grow or deteriorate. For us, the 'status
quo' can only be for today, never for tomorrow. Change we must;
we cannot stand still.
Seems to me there's even opposing conclusions as to what standing still
actually means.
Do those remaining here have predominantly well established recovery, or
well established prejudices - the antithesis of growth?

Q) Should the Big Book accept advertising?
A) We have to grow or deteriorate.
Q) Should the Big Book have erotic pictures in it?
A) Change we must, we cannot stand still.
Q) Should AA endorse political candidates?
A) It would be temptingly easy to settle down as merely a useful agency;
the status quo can only be for today, never for tomorrow.

Crikey Pluted. Not hard to see why moderation is anathema to you! :-)

[Charlie M. 1958]

Post by Bob
9. Should A.A. Change?
Perhaps our very first realization should be that we can't stand
still. Now that our basic principles seem established, now that
our functioning is fairly effective and widespread, it would be
temptingly easy to settle down as merely one more useful agency
on the world. We could conclude that "AA is fine, just the way it
is." ... We have to grow or deteriorate. For us, the 'status
quo' can only be for today, never for tomorrow. Change we must;
we cannot stand still.
Seems to me there's even opposing conclusions as to what standing still
actually means.
Do those remaining here have predominantly well established recovery, or
well established prejudices - the antithesis of growth?

One man's principle is another man's prejudice.

[Bob]

Post by Charlie M. 1958

Post by Bob
9. Should A.A. Change?
Perhaps our very first realization should be that we can't stand
still. Now that our basic principles seem established, now that
our functioning is fairly effective and widespread, it would be
temptingly easy to settle down as merely one more useful agency
on the world. We could conclude that "AA is fine, just the way it
is." ... We have to grow or deteriorate. For us, the 'status
quo' can only be for today, never for tomorrow. Change we must;
we cannot stand still.
Seems to me there's even opposing conclusions as to what standing still
actually means.
Do those remaining here have predominantly well established recovery, or
well established prejudices - the antithesis of growth?

One man's principle is another man's prejudice.

OK :-)
Meaning all here are prejudiced against principle! ;-)

[Sharx335]

Post by Bob

Post by Charlie M. 1958

Post by Bob
9. Should A.A. Change?
Perhaps our very first realization should be that we can't stand
still. Now that our basic principles seem established, now that
our functioning is fairly effective and widespread, it would be
temptingly easy to settle down as merely one more useful agency
on the world. We could conclude that "AA is fine, just the way it
is." ... We have to grow or deteriorate. For us, the 'status
quo' can only be for today, never for tomorrow. Change we must;
we cannot stand still.
Seems to me there's even opposing conclusions as to what standing still
actually means.
Do those remaining here have predominantly well established recovery, or
well established prejudices - the antithesis of growth?

One man's principle is another man's prejudice.

OK :-)
Meaning all here are prejudiced against principle! ;-)

"All" means ALL, NO ONE excluded, not even those south of the Equator.

[Bob]

Post by Sharx335

Post by Bob

Post by Charlie M. 1958

Post by Bob
9. Should A.A. Change?
Perhaps our very first realization should be that we can't stand
still. Now that our basic principles seem established, now that
our functioning is fairly effective and widespread, it would be
temptingly easy to settle down as merely one more useful agency
on the world. We could conclude that "AA is fine, just the way it
is." ... We have to grow or deteriorate. For us, the 'status
quo' can only be for today, never for tomorrow. Change we must;
we cannot stand still.
Seems to me there's even opposing conclusions as to what standing still
actually means.
Do those remaining here have predominantly well established recovery, or
well established prejudices - the antithesis of growth?

One man's principle is another man's prejudice.

OK :-)
Meaning all here are prejudiced against principle! ;-)

"All" means ALL, NO ONE excluded, not even those south of the Equator.

:-)
Having not precluded myself, are you deflecting or projecting, or both? ;-)

[Bob]

Post by Bob

Post by Sharx335

Post by Bob

Post by Charlie M. 1958

Post by Bob
9. Should A.A. Change?
Perhaps our very first realization should be that we can't stand
still. Now that our basic principles seem established, now that
our functioning is fairly effective and widespread, it would be
temptingly easy to settle down as merely one more useful agency
on the world. We could conclude that "AA is fine, just the way it
is." ... We have to grow or deteriorate. For us, the 'status
quo' can only be for today, never for tomorrow. Change we must;
we cannot stand still.
Seems to me there's even opposing conclusions as to what standing still
actually means.
Do those remaining here have predominantly well established recovery, or
well established prejudices - the antithesis of growth?

One man's principle is another man's prejudice.

OK :-)
Meaning all here are prejudiced against principle! ;-)

"All" means ALL, NO ONE excluded, not even those south of the Equator.

:-)
Having not precluded myself, are you deflecting or projecting, or both? ;-)

Neither--however you seem oh so sure that it is one of the OTHER 3
options. Are YOU projecting, deflecting, or both? <vbg>

Unsure if you're now assuming or presuming I was sure, I don't care now at
all, either way!

[Sharx335]

Post by Bob

Post by Bob

Post by Sharx335

Post by Bob

Post by Charlie M. 1958

Post by Bob
9. Should A.A. Change?
Perhaps our very first realization should be that we can't stand
still. Now that our basic principles seem established, now that
our functioning is fairly effective and widespread, it would be
temptingly easy to settle down as merely one more useful agency
on the world. We could conclude that "AA is fine, just the way it
is." ... We have to grow or deteriorate. For us, the 'status
quo' can only be for today, never for tomorrow. Change we must;
we cannot stand still.
Seems to me there's even opposing conclusions as to what standing still
actually means.
Do those remaining here have predominantly well established recovery, or
well established prejudices - the antithesis of growth?

One man's principle is another man's prejudice.

OK :-)
Meaning all here are prejudiced against principle! ;-)

"All" means ALL, NO ONE excluded, not even those south of the Equator.

:-)
Having not precluded myself, are you deflecting or projecting, or both? ;-)

Neither--however you seem oh so sure that it is one of the OTHER 3
options. Are YOU projecting, deflecting, or both?  <vbg>

Unsure if you're now assuming or presuming I was sure, I don't care now at
all, either way!

If you say so!