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Pluted Pup
2024-11-16 21:13:42 UTC
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So the Plain Language Big Book I saw and bought
did not deliver what was promised: a dual text
version containing side by side comparisons
of the original text and the revised.

It is a slim book, a mere 185 pages.
It contains a dual text of The Doctor's Opinion,
and a dual text of the short and long versions
of the Twelve Traditions. All else contains
only revision.

There is no excuse to not have a dual text
of the Big Book itself, or anywhere there
is revision.

It gives a half true explanation in a footnote
to the epitaph on page 1 of Bill's Story:
it transcribes "small beer" as "beer" when
small beer was actually a low strength beer
like in the 1 - 3 percent range, noticeably
lower than normal beer and was marketed by
the liquor industry as a "temperance" beer.
It also ignored that Bill's Story itself is
actually missing a line from the original epitaph:
"Drink it strong or not at all", a Temperance
Slogan against Moderate Drinking.

Here's an emphasis in the revised text to the
first page from More About Alcoholism: "As
alcoholics, we have lost our ability to control
our drinking. We have lost this ability permanently."
I like this emphasis, though it is redundant.
Sharx335
2024-11-16 21:41:48 UTC
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So the Plain Language Big Book I saw and bought
did not deliver what was promised: a dual text
version containing side by side comparisons
of the original text and the revised.
It is a slim book, a mere 185 pages.
It contains a dual text of The Doctor's Opinion,
and a dual text of the short and long versions
of the Twelve Traditions. All else contains
only revision.
There is no excuse to not have a dual text
of the Big Book itself, or anywhere there
is revision.
It gives a half true explanation in a footnote
it transcribes "small beer" as "beer" when
small beer was actually a low strength beer
like in the 1 - 3 percent range, noticeably
lower than normal beer and was marketed by
the liquor industry as a "temperance" beer.
It also ignored that Bill's Story itself is
"Drink it strong or not at all", a Temperance
Slogan against Moderate Drinking.
Here's an emphasis in the revised text to the
first page from More About Alcoholism: "As
alcoholics, we have lost our ability to control
our drinking. We have lost this ability permanently."
I like this emphasis, though it is redundant.
Agreed. I, too, would like to see the "before and after" of the first
164 pages AND the various appendices.
badgolferman
2024-11-16 22:24:31 UTC
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So the Plain Language Big Book I saw and bought
did not deliver what was promised: a dual text
version containing side by side comparisons
of the original text and the revised.
It is a slim book, a mere 185 pages.
It contains a dual text of The Doctor's Opinion,
and a dual text of the short and long versions
of the Twelve Traditions. All else contains
only revision.
There is no excuse to not have a dual text
of the Big Book itself, or anywhere there
is revision.
It gives a half true explanation in a footnote
it transcribes "small beer" as "beer" when
small beer was actually a low strength beer
like in the 1 - 3 percent range, noticeably
lower than normal beer and was marketed by
the liquor industry as a "temperance" beer.
It also ignored that Bill's Story itself is
"Drink it strong or not at all", a Temperance
Slogan against Moderate Drinking.
Here's an emphasis in the revised text to the
first page from More About Alcoholism: "As
alcoholics, we have lost our ability to control
our drinking. We have lost this ability permanently."
I like this emphasis, though it is redundant.
Agreed. I, too, would like to see the "before and after" of the first
164 pages AND the various appendices.
Here’s a taste for you….

————-

Plain Language Big Book
“HOW IT WORKS” (plain language)

It’s very rare for someone to completely commit to the A.A. program and
still fail. People who do not recover are the ones who can’t or won’t
follow this simple program. They are usually people who simply cannot be
honest with themselves. We don’t meet a lot of people like this, but they
do exist. It is not their fault. They seem to have been born that way. But
because they cannot be honest with themselves, they are unlikely to succeed
in their recovery.

There are also people who suffer from emotional and mental disorders, and
join A.A. to address their alcoholism. Many of them do recover if they are
able to be honest along their journey.
Many of the stories we share in this book describe experiences that we have
had ourselves. We share stories about what we used to be like, what
happened to us, and what our lives are like now. If you feel like we did
and want to stop drinking, then you are ready to get started. You are ready
to take these steps toward recovery.

When we started, some of those first steps scared us. We thought we could
find an easier way. But we could not. Since we know this now from our own
experiences, we’re asking you to be fearless and thorough from the start.
Some of us tried to keep our old ideas, and they just held us back. Until
we let go of those ideas, we were unable to make progress.

Remember that we are dealing with a disease. Alcoholism is a confusing and
powerful condition that is unlike anything else in the world. Alcohol is
extremely complicated, tricky, and difficult. It seems to control and
punish people who are addicted to it. Without help, beating alcoholism is
too much for one person to handle. We all need guidance from God, support
from a Higher Power. And we need to ask for that support with full and open
hearts. We stand at a turning point. We ask for God’s protection and care
with all the honesty we have.

“The Twelve Steps
Here are the steps we took, which are suggested as a program of recovery:

1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become
unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to
sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God
as we understood Him.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact
nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make
amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do
so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong, promptly
admitted it.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact
with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for
us and the power to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried
to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in
all our affairs.

If this is your first time reading through these steps, they may seem
difficult … or even impossible.

Do not be discouraged. No one has ever followed these principles perfectly.
We are not saints. We are simply people who are trying to grow, both
spiritually and personally. These ideas are here to guide our progress. And
our goal is spiritual progress, not spiritual perfection.

In Chapter 4 we shared a description of alcoholics who do not believe in
God. Combined with that, we believe the stories of our experiences as A.A.
members all boil down to three simple ideas:

A. That we were alcoholics and could not manage our own lives.
B. That no human power could have stopped or changed our alcoholism.
C. That God could and would help us if we tried to find God.

Plain Language Big Book: A Tool for Reading Alcoholics Anonymous
Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc.
badgolferman
2024-11-16 22:38:22 UTC
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Post by Pluted Pup
So the Plain Language Big Book I saw and bought
did not deliver what was promised: a dual text
version containing side by side comparisons
of the original text and the revised.
Are you surprised? The plain language Big Book is not designed to be a
study guide or translation. Instead it’s designed to be an eventual
replacement. They couldn’t change the original book since that requires a
2/3 majority vote at the General Service Conference.

As more people in treatment centers are handed out books, this will almost
certainly be the book of choice purchased by the treatment centers because
it’s (plain language) and better suited to today’s people who can barely
read and write anymore. I’m surprised it’s not full of Internet acronyms
(LOL) and/or emojis since that’s how people communicate these days.

Little by little this new book will be used at book study meetings and the
real Big Book will become a shelf piece at best. Since there’s no GSC
resolution prohibiting changes to the book, slowly the God word will be
replaced, non-specific gender words will be used, and street drugs will
become the equivalent to alcohol.

We are seeing the last of traditional AA. In a few years it will morph into
something unrecognizable which I will call BB right now for lack of a
better word.
Sharx335
2024-11-16 23:56:59 UTC
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Post by Pluted Pup
So the Plain Language Big Book I saw and bought
did not deliver what was promised: a dual text
version containing side by side comparisons
of the original text and the revised.
Are you surprised? The plain language Big Book is not designed to be a
study guide or translation. Instead it’s designed to be an eventual
replacement. They couldn’t change the original book since that requires a
2/3 majority vote at the General Service Conference.
As more people in treatment centers are handed out books, this will almost
certainly be the book of choice purchased by the treatment centers because
it’s (plain language) and better suited to today’s people who can barely
read and write anymore. I’m surprised it’s not full of Internet acronyms
(LOL) and/or emojis since that’s how people communicate these days.
Little by little this new book will be used at book study meetings and the
real Big Book will become a shelf piece at best. Since there’s no GSC
resolution prohibiting changes to the book, slowly the God word will be
replaced, non-specific gender words will be used, and street drugs will
become the equivalent to alcohol.
We are seeing the last of traditional AA. In a few years it will morph into
something unrecognizable which I will call BB right now for lack of a
better word.
But it is not dishonourable to be an agnostic or an atheist. Lots of
atheists and agnostics, like myself, have become sober and continue to
grow in sobriety, within AA. My last drink was on July 15, 1980. It
works, it really does. My Higher Power is the Program of Alcoholics
Anonymous. It exists and is tangible and is provable. For me. I met a
number of people, over the years, who were turned of when they
continually heard, "God this, God that... God got me a parking spot, God
got me all green lights on the way to the meeting...". ALL non provable.
Time for more secularity. Just as the ancient Gods on Mount Olympus were
shown to not exist, as time passes, the whole concept of deities will go
the way of the horse and buggy. God is a human construct, NOT the reverse.
badgolferman
2024-11-17 00:00:57 UTC
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Post by Pluted Pup
So the Plain Language Big Book I saw and bought
did not deliver what was promised: a dual text
version containing side by side comparisons
of the original text and the revised.
Are you surprised? The plain language Big Book is not designed to be a
study guide or translation. Instead it’s designed to be an eventual
replacement. They couldn’t change the original book since that requires a
2/3 majority vote at the General Service Conference.
As more people in treatment centers are handed out books, this will almost
certainly be the book of choice purchased by the treatment centers because
it’s (plain language) and better suited to today’s people who can barely
read and write anymore. I’m surprised it’s not full of Internet acronyms
(LOL) and/or emojis since that’s how people communicate these days.
Little by little this new book will be used at book study meetings and the
real Big Book will become a shelf piece at best. Since there’s no GSC
resolution prohibiting changes to the book, slowly the God word will be
replaced, non-specific gender words will be used, and street drugs will
become the equivalent to alcohol.
We are seeing the last of traditional AA. In a few years it will morph into
something unrecognizable which I will call BB right now for lack of a
better word.
But it is not dishonourable to be an agnostic or an atheist. Lots of
atheists and agnostics, like myself, have become sober and continue to
grow in sobriety, within AA. My last drink was on July 15, 1980. It
works, it really does. My Higher Power is the Program of Alcoholics
Anonymous. It exists and is tangible and is provable. For me. I met a
number of people, over the years, who were turned of when they
continually heard, "God this, God that... God got me a parking spot, God
got me all green lights on the way to the meeting...". ALL non provable.
Time for more secularity. Just as the ancient Gods on Mount Olympus were
shown to not exist, as time passes, the whole concept of deities will go
the way of the horse and buggy. God is a human construct, NOT the reverse.
I think the entire point of my message went over your head.
Sharx335
2024-11-17 03:15:53 UTC
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So the Plain Language Big Book I saw and bought
did not deliver what was promised: a dual text
version containing side by side comparisons
of the original text and the revised.
Are you surprised? The plain language Big Book is not designed to be a
study guide or translation. Instead it’s designed to be an eventual
replacement. They couldn’t change the original book since that requires a
2/3 majority vote at the General Service Conference.
As more people in treatment centers are handed out books, this will almost
certainly be the book of choice purchased by the treatment centers because
it’s (plain language) and better suited to today’s people who can barely
read and write anymore. I’m surprised it’s not full of Internet acronyms
(LOL) and/or emojis since that’s how people communicate these days.
Little by little this new book will be used at book study meetings and the
real Big Book will become a shelf piece at best. Since there’s no GSC
resolution prohibiting changes to the book, slowly the God word will be
replaced, non-specific gender words will be used, and street drugs will
become the equivalent to alcohol.
We are seeing the last of traditional AA. In a few years it will morph into
something unrecognizable which I will call BB right now for lack of a
better word.
But it is not dishonourable to be an agnostic or an atheist. Lots of
atheists and agnostics, like myself, have become sober and continue to
grow in sobriety, within AA. My last drink was on July 15, 1980. It
works, it really does. My Higher Power is the Program of Alcoholics
Anonymous. It exists and is tangible and is provable. For me. I met a
number of people, over the years, who were turned of when they
continually heard, "God this, God that... God got me a parking spot, God
got me all green lights on the way to the meeting...". ALL non provable.
Time for more secularity. Just as the ancient Gods on Mount Olympus were
shown to not exist, as time passes, the whole concept of deities will go
the way of the horse and buggy. God is a human construct, NOT the reverse.
I think the entire point of my message went over your head.
Mike, you and I might be very close politically but I strongly think
that AA will fade away UNLESS it and its literature becomes secularized.
Thinking, rational people, less and less, believe in deities founded on
ancient myths. No one, any longer, believes in those gods on Mt.
Olympus--it's just a matter of time as to when the remaining cobwebs of
ignorance are cleared away.
badgolferman
2024-11-17 12:52:39 UTC
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Mike, you and I might be very close politically but I strongly think
that AA will fade away UNLESS it and its literature becomes
secularized. Thinking, rational people, less and less, believe in
deities founded on ancient myths. No one, any longer, believes in
those gods on Mt. Olympus--it's just a matter of time as to when the
remaining cobwebs of ignorance are cleared away.
Dave, I will branch off the main discussion regarding the plain
language Big Book for a second and address your issue.

"Lack of power, that was our dilemma. We had to find a power by which
we could live, and it had to be a Power greater than ourselves.
Obviously. But where and how were we to find this Power? Well, that’s
exactly what this book is about. Its main object is to enable you to
find a Power greater than yourself which will solve your problem."

As you can see, the entire purpose of the Big Book is to help you find
a power _greater_ than yourself to solve your power. Notwithstanding
the fact that some people will never get to that point, even you surely
can't deny there are millions of recovered alcoholics which accepted
this premise despite any reservations they had and subsequently found
their entire lives and attitudes changed. I count myself as one of
those millions. Just because you and a few others found a way to work
around the spiritual principle of AA, doesn't mean this life-saving
concept should be discarded when it's clearly worked for ~90 years of
this fellowship.

Now getting back to the main topic, the plain language Big Book is
nothing more than an attempt to rewrite the Big Book into a more
palatable message for people who cannot change themselves and demand
others change to suit them. This is a sneaky attempt to remove
material considered objectionable these days and replace it with
politically correct terms approved by progressives. I've already
posted the changes they've forced through for the Twelve Steps and
Twelve Traditions book. Please remember I was involved in the Virginia
Area Committee (state level) during the time discussions about this
book were ongoing. I saw how the sausage was being made while you will
only see the perfect smooth casing it's been put in.

As I mentioned before, there is a General Service Conference resolution
passed back in the 1990's declaring any changes to Bill Wilson's words
in the Big Book must pass a 2/3 majority to be allowed. After numerous
failures by people to change it, the plain language Big Book is their
way of rewriting the Big Book. They have done a fabulous job of
framing the discussion as one of "reaching out to more alcoholics" with
easier to read language, but are also taking the opportunity to change
objectionable words and maybe even concepts which have been a sore spot
for many. They will continue to do this with the plain language Big
Book with newer editions because there's nothing stopping them anymore.
This is why I said AA will become unrecognizable and be something
different which I call BB.
--
“The more things change, the more they remain the same.” ~ Alphonse Karr
Sharx335
2024-11-17 17:05:13 UTC
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Mike, you and I might be very close politically but I strongly think
that AA will fade away UNLESS it and its literature becomes
secularized. Thinking, rational people, less and less, believe in
deities founded on ancient myths. No one, any longer, believes in
those gods on Mt. Olympus--it's just a matter of time as to when the
remaining cobwebs of ignorance are cleared away.
Dave, I will branch off the main discussion regarding the plain
language Big Book for a second and address your issue.
"Lack of power, that was our dilemma. We had to find a power by which
we could live, and it had to be a Power greater than ourselves.
Obviously. But where and how were we to find this Power? Well, that’s
exactly what this book is about. Its main object is to enable you to
find a Power greater than yourself which will solve your problem."
As you can see, the entire purpose of the Big Book is to help you find
a power _greater_ than yourself to solve your power. Notwithstanding
the fact that some people will never get to that point, even you surely
can't deny there are millions of recovered alcoholics which accepted
this premise despite any reservations they had and subsequently found
their entire lives and attitudes changed. I count myself as one of
those millions. Just because you and a few others found a way to work
around the spiritual principle of AA, doesn't mean this life-saving
concept should be discarded when it's clearly worked for ~90 years of
this fellowship.
Now getting back to the main topic, the plain language Big Book is
nothing more than an attempt to rewrite the Big Book into a more
palatable message for people who cannot change themselves and demand
others change to suit them. This is a sneaky attempt to remove
material considered objectionable these days and replace it with
politically correct terms approved by progressives. I've already
posted the changes they've forced through for the Twelve Steps and
Twelve Traditions book. Please remember I was involved in the Virginia
Area Committee (state level) during the time discussions about this
book were ongoing. I saw how the sausage was being made while you will
only see the perfect smooth casing it's been put in.
As I mentioned before, there is a General Service Conference resolution
passed back in the 1990's declaring any changes to Bill Wilson's words
in the Big Book must pass a 2/3 majority to be allowed. After numerous
failures by people to change it, the plain language Big Book is their
way of rewriting the Big Book. They have done a fabulous job of
framing the discussion as one of "reaching out to more alcoholics" with
easier to read language, but are also taking the opportunity to change
objectionable words and maybe even concepts which have been a sore spot
for many. They will continue to do this with the plain language Big
Book with newer editions because there's nothing stopping them anymore.
This is why I said AA will become unrecognizable and be something
different which I call BB.
Looking for areas of agreement---Yup, I certainly concur...I, too, would
like to see ALL the before and after...not just selected parts.

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