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badgolferman
2024-08-22 09:27:05 UTC
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I once had a conversation with a friend who suggested people who get rides
to meetings should either offer or be charged gas money. His point was they
should become responsible for their own sobriety and stop depending on
handouts. We disagreed on the idea that they should be asked for money, but
if they offered it then it should be accepted. I made the point that giving
rides to meetings is a form of 12th Step work and it benefits the driver
too.

What are your thoughts?
Bob
2024-08-22 09:55:07 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
I once had a conversation with a friend who suggested people who get rides
to meetings should either offer or be charged gas money. His point was they
should become responsible for their own sobriety and stop depending on
handouts. We disagreed on the idea that they should be asked for money, but
if they offered it then it should be accepted. I made the point that giving
rides to meetings is a form of 12th Step work and it benefits the driver
too.
What are your thoughts?
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Charlie M. 1958
2024-08-22 15:51:04 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
I once had a conversation with a friend who suggested people who get rides
to meetings should either offer or be charged gas money. His point was they
should become responsible for their own sobriety and stop depending on
handouts. We disagreed on the idea that they should be asked for money, but
if they offered it then it should be accepted. I made the point that giving
rides to meetings is a form of 12th Step work and it benefits the driver
too.
What are your thoughts?
For the most part I agree with you. But at some point you have to make a
distinction between a fellow alcoholic in need of a ride, and a deadbeat
who is still using people.
badgolferman
2024-08-22 16:26:57 UTC
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Post by Charlie M. 1958
Post by badgolferman
I once had a conversation with a friend who suggested people who
get rides to meetings should either offer or be charged gas money.
His point was they should become responsible for their own sobriety
and stop depending on handouts. We disagreed on the idea that they
should be asked for money, but if they offered it then it should be
accepted. I made the point that giving rides to meetings is a form
of 12th Step work and it benefits the driver too.
What are your thoughts?
For the most part I agree with you. But at some point you have to
make a distinction between a fellow alcoholic in need of a ride, and
a deadbeat who is still using people.
Not that I disagree with you, but that sounds like judging our fellow
alcoholics! Some people don't like it when I've pointed out passages
in the Big Book which also tell us to judge others.

"If you are satisfied that he is a real alcoholic, begin to dwell on
the hopeless feature of the malady." Page 92
Bob
2024-08-22 16:35:59 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
Post by Charlie M. 1958
Post by badgolferman
I once had a conversation with a friend who suggested people who
get rides to meetings should either offer or be charged gas money.
His point was they should become responsible for their own sobriety
and stop depending on handouts. We disagreed on the idea that they
should be asked for money, but if they offered it then it should be
accepted. I made the point that giving rides to meetings is a form
of 12th Step work and it benefits the driver too.
What are your thoughts?
For the most part I agree with you. But at some point you have to
make a distinction between a fellow alcoholic in need of a ride, and
a deadbeat who is still using people.
Not that I disagree with you, but that sounds like judging our fellow
alcoholics! Some people don't like it when I've pointed out passages
in the Big Book which also tell us to judge others.
"If you are satisfied that he is a real alcoholic, begin to dwell on
the hopeless feature of the malady." Page 92
If you ever grow up, and you're lucky too; you may even learn there's a vast
difference between judgement, which you're well accustomed to, and
assessment, which you're not.
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badgolferman
2024-08-22 16:48:43 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Post by Charlie M. 1958
Post by badgolferman
I once had a conversation with a friend who suggested people who
get rides to meetings should either offer or be charged gas
money. His point was they should become responsible for their
own sobriety and stop depending on handouts. We disagreed on
the idea that they should be asked for money, but if they
offered it then it should be accepted. I made the point that
giving rides to meetings is a form of 12th Step work and it
benefits the driver too.
What are your thoughts?
For the most part I agree with you. But at some point you have to
make a distinction between a fellow alcoholic in need of a ride,
and a deadbeat who is still using people.
Not that I disagree with you, but that sounds like judging our
fellow alcoholics! Some people don't like it when I've pointed out
passages in the Big Book which also tell us to judge others.
"If you are satisfied that he is a real alcoholic, begin to dwell on
the hopeless feature of the malady." Page 92
If you ever grow up, and you're lucky too; you may even learn there's
a vast difference between judgement, which you're well accustomed to,
and assessment, which you're not.
According to Dictionary.com they seem pretty much the same. Of course
I don't have the Bob McGregor Unabridged Dictionary and Thesaurus at
hand.

as·sess·ment
/əˈsesmənt/
noun
noun: assessment; plural noun: assessments
the evaluation or estimation of the nature, quality, or ability of
someone or something.
"the assessment of educational needs"
Similar: evaluation judgment gauging rating estimation appraisal
opinion analysis valuation calculation computation costing pricing
estimate

judg·ment
/ˈjəjmənt/
noun
noun: judgement
1. the ability to make considered decisions or come to sensible
conclusions. "an error of judgment"
Similar: verdict decision adjudication ruling pronouncement decree
finding conclusion determination sentence
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Bob
2024-08-22 17:30:10 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Post by Charlie M. 1958
Post by badgolferman
I once had a conversation with a friend who suggested people who
get rides to meetings should either offer or be charged gas
money. His point was they should become responsible for their
own sobriety and stop depending on handouts. We disagreed on
the idea that they should be asked for money, but if they
offered it then it should be accepted. I made the point that
giving rides to meetings is a form of 12th Step work and it
benefits the driver too.
What are your thoughts?
For the most part I agree with you. But at some point you have to
make a distinction between a fellow alcoholic in need of a ride,
and a deadbeat who is still using people.
Not that I disagree with you, but that sounds like judging our
fellow alcoholics! Some people don't like it when I've pointed out
passages in the Big Book which also tell us to judge others.
"If you are satisfied that he is a real alcoholic, begin to dwell on
the hopeless feature of the malady." Page 92
If you ever grow up, and you're lucky too; you may even learn there's
a vast difference between judgement, which you're well accustomed to,
and assessment, which you're not.
According to Dictionary.com they seem pretty much the same. Of course
I don't have the Bob McGregor Unabridged Dictionary and Thesaurus at
hand.
as·sess·ment
/əˈsesmənt/
noun
noun: assessment; plural noun: assessments
the evaluation or estimation of the nature, quality, or ability of
someone or something.
"the assessment of educational needs"
Similar: evaluation judgment gauging rating estimation appraisal
opinion analysis valuation calculation computation costing pricing
estimate
judg·ment
/ˈjəjmənt/
noun
noun: judgement
1. the ability to make considered decisions or come to sensible
conclusions. "an error of judgment"
Similar: verdict decision adjudication ruling pronouncement decree
finding conclusion determination sentence
--
"My sources are unreliable, but their information is fascinating." ~
Ashleigh Brilliant
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask yourself, why on earth
would two words have an absolutely identical meaning pertaining to a
prospect for AA?
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badgolferman
2024-08-22 17:39:28 UTC
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Post by Bob
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask yourself, why on
earth would two words have an absolutely identical meaning pertaining
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening", "spiritual
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all have the same
meaning.

Now back to the regular topic. Should people getting rides be expected
to pay for gas? I already gave you my take. What's yours?
Bob
2024-08-22 20:17:37 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask yourself, why on
earth would two words have an absolutely identical meaning pertaining
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening", "spiritual
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all have the same
meaning.
Now back to the regular topic. Should people getting rides be expected
to pay for gas? I already gave you my take. What's yours?
My understanding is that when expense was involved in my reaching out to
others, and if often was, I was in reality a one man charity.
Dispensing charity can have harmful effects on the recipient, so my
responsibility was dependant on my assessment of to whom I gave, and to
what extent I gave.
Consequently some individuals were not only given a ride, but a meal too.

Fwiw, I can distinctly recall one member who was a hallmark of AA recovery,
having been already diagnosed with, and incarcerated for, causikoff
syndrome. I refused him both a ride and the meal, while explaining to him
precisely why I was doing so. I still believe that was kinder to him than
any charity would have been.
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Dexter
2024-08-23 02:53:26 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask yourself, why on
earth would two words have an absolutely identical meaning pertaining
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening", "spiritual
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all have the same
meaning.
Now back to the regular topic. Should people getting rides be expected
to pay for gas? I already gave you my take. What's yours?
My understanding is that when expense was involved in my reaching out to
others, and if often was, I was in reality a one man charity.
Dispensing charity can have harmful effects on the recipient, so my
responsibility was dependant on my assessment of to whom I gave, and to
what extent I gave. Consequently some individuals were not only given a ride,
but a meal too.
Fwiw, I can distinctly recall one member who was a hallmark of AA recovery,
having been already diagnosed with, and incarcerated for, causikoff
syndrome. I refused him both a ride and the meal, while explaining to him
precisely why I was doing so. I still believe that was kinder to him than
any charity would have been.
-------------------------------------

Would you be referring to Korsakoff syndrome? AKA Wernicke-Korsakoff
Syndrome.
Bob
2024-08-23 03:18:23 UTC
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Post by Dexter
Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask yourself, why on
earth would two words have an absolutely identical meaning pertaining
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening", "spiritual
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all have the same
meaning.
Now back to the regular topic. Should people getting rides be expected
to pay for gas? I already gave you my take. What's yours?
My understanding is that when expense was involved in my reaching out to
others, and if often was, I was in reality a one man charity.
Dispensing charity can have harmful effects on the recipient, so my
responsibility was dependant on my assessment of to whom I gave, and to
what extent I gave. Consequently some individuals were not only given a ride,
but a meal too.
Fwiw, I can distinctly recall one member who was a hallmark of AA recovery,
having been already diagnosed with, and incarcerated for, causikoff
syndrome. I refused him both a ride and the meal, while explaining to him
precisely why I was doing so. I still believe that was kinder to him than
any charity would have been.
-------------------------------------
Would you be referring to Korsakoff syndrome? AKA Wernicke-Korsakoff
Syndrome.
That's it
He had been in a Korsakoff facility in Charters Towers, Queensland,
Australia where he diligently took the AA steps and was ultimately
released. A nurse I knew who had worked at that facility said they were all
classified as hopeless.

Read the other day the facility had closed down, so maybe all the patients
are out in/on the streets these days.
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Bob
2024-08-23 08:19:27 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Dexter
Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask yourself, why on
earth would two words have an absolutely identical meaning pertaining
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening", "spiritual
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all have the same
meaning.
Now back to the regular topic. Should people getting rides be expected
to pay for gas? I already gave you my take. What's yours?
My understanding is that when expense was involved in my reaching out to
others, and if often was, I was in reality a one man charity.
Dispensing charity can have harmful effects on the recipient, so my
responsibility was dependant on my assessment of to whom I gave, and to
what extent I gave. Consequently some individuals were not only given a ride,
but a meal too.
Fwiw, I can distinctly recall one member who was a hallmark of AA recovery,
having been already diagnosed with, and incarcerated for, causikoff
syndrome. I refused him both a ride and the meal, while explaining to him
precisely why I was doing so. I still believe that was kinder to him than
any charity would have been.
-------------------------------------
Would you be referring to Korsakoff syndrome? AKA Wernicke-Korsakoff
Syndrome.
That's it
He had been in a Korsakoff facility in Charters Towers, Queensland,
Australia where he diligently took the AA steps and was ultimately
released. A nurse I knew who had worked at that facility said they were all
classified as hopeless.
Read the other day the facility had closed down, so maybe all the patients
are out in/on the streets these days.
PS. Had a quick look for where bureaucrats are shoving that Mossman Hall
money today.

Here's a question for you, Dexter

Aren't slim resources better spent on innocent youngsters than on us selfish
old drunks and our peers who passed on our problems?

"
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples
Uncover a wealth of resources dedicated to Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander Peoples. Access curated materials offering cultural depth and
understanding. Explore the Strong Born Campaign, an initiative raising
awareness about Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) within these
communities, providing support and essential information. Delve into a
collection of Australian Indigenous resources and research, thoughtfully
curated to promote cultural awareness and appreciation.

It is essential to recognise that, due to the ongoing implications of
colonisation and resulting trauma, FASD and the harms of alcohol use has
emerged as an additional health burden for Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islanders"

https://www.nofasd.org.au/#:~:text=curated%20materials%20offering,Torres%20Strait%20Islanders

Naturally, I have multitudes of reservations about that left wing, racist,
bias. :-)
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Sharx335
2024-08-23 18:06:19 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by Dexter
Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask yourself, why on
earth would two words have an absolutely identical meaning
pertaining
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening", "spiritual
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all have the same
meaning.
Post by Bob
Now back to the regular topic.  Should people getting rides be
expected
Post by badgolferman
to pay for gas?  I already gave you my take.  What's yours?
My understanding is that when expense was involved in my reaching out to
others, and if often was, I was in reality a one man charity.
Dispensing charity can have harmful effects on the recipient, so my
responsibility was dependant on my assessment of to whom I gave, and to
what extent I gave. Consequently some individuals were not only given a ride,
but a meal too.
Fwiw, I can distinctly recall one member who was a hallmark of AA recovery,
having been already diagnosed with, and incarcerated for, causikoff
syndrome. I refused him both a ride and the meal, while explaining to him
precisely why I was doing so. I still believe that was kinder to him than
any charity would have been.
-------------------------------------
Would you be referring to Korsakoff syndrome?  AKA Wernicke-Korsakoff
Syndrome.
That's it
He had been in a Korsakoff facility in Charters Towers, Queensland,
Australia where he diligently took the AA steps and was ultimately
released. A nurse I knew who had worked at that facility said they were all
classified as hopeless.
Read the other day the facility had closed down, so maybe all the patients
are out in/on the streets these days.
PS. Had a quick look for where bureaucrats are shoving that Mossman Hall
money today.
Here's a question for you, Dexter
Aren't slim resources better spent on innocent youngsters than on us selfish
old drunks and our peers who passed on our problems?
"
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples
Uncover a wealth of resources dedicated to Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander Peoples. Access curated materials offering cultural depth and
understanding. Explore the Strong Born Campaign, an initiative raising
awareness about Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) within these
communities, providing support and essential information. Delve into a
collection of Australian Indigenous resources and research, thoughtfully
curated to promote cultural awareness and appreciation.
It is essential to recognise that, due to the ongoing implications of
colonisation and resulting trauma, FASD and the harms of alcohol use has
emerged as an additional health burden for Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islanders"
https://www.nofasd.org.au/
#:~:text=curated%20materials%20offering,Torres%20Strait%20Islanders
Naturally, I have multitudes of reservations about that left wing, racist,
bias. :-)
YOU might characterize YOURSELF as a "selfish old drunk". *I* haven't
been a "drunk" for over 44 years. Not MY fault I have survived to the
age of 78. Just because I happen to be Caucasian and middle-class, WHY
should *I* be shit on. I see nothing boastworthy about being indigenous
or so-called "first nation". We are ALL immigrants--in North America,
even the vaunted aboriginals and their oh-so-admired "spirituality" came
here over the then Bering Land Bridge. They fought amongst themselves
and were eventually defeated by the French, English, and Spanish. To the
victor goes the spoils. That's how it works. The aboriginals here did
things to each other far worse than us hated "colonists" ever did to them.
Bob
2024-08-23 20:03:39 UTC
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Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by Dexter
Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask yourself, why on
earth would two words have an absolutely identical meaning
pertaining
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening", "spiritual
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all have the same
meaning.
Post by Bob
Now back to the regular topic.  Should people getting rides be
expected
Post by badgolferman
to pay for gas?  I already gave you my take.  What's yours?
My understanding is that when expense was involved in my reaching out to
others, and if often was, I was in reality a one man charity.
Dispensing charity can have harmful effects on the recipient, so my
responsibility was dependant on my assessment of to whom I gave, and to
what extent I gave. Consequently some individuals were not only given a ride,
but a meal too.
Fwiw, I can distinctly recall one member who was a hallmark of AA recovery,
having been already diagnosed with, and incarcerated for, causikoff
syndrome. I refused him both a ride and the meal, while explaining to him
precisely why I was doing so. I still believe that was kinder to him than
any charity would have been.
-------------------------------------
Would you be referring to Korsakoff syndrome?  AKA Wernicke-Korsakoff
Syndrome.
That's it
He had been in a Korsakoff facility in Charters Towers, Queensland,
Australia where he diligently took the AA steps and was ultimately
released. A nurse I knew who had worked at that facility said they were all
classified as hopeless.
Read the other day the facility had closed down, so maybe all the patients
are out in/on the streets these days.
PS. Had a quick look for where bureaucrats are shoving that Mossman Hall
money today.
Here's a question for you, Dexter
Aren't slim resources better spent on innocent youngsters than on us selfish
old drunks and our peers who passed on our problems?
"
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples
Uncover a wealth of resources dedicated to Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander Peoples. Access curated materials offering cultural depth and
understanding. Explore the Strong Born Campaign, an initiative raising
awareness about Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) within these
communities, providing support and essential information. Delve into a
collection of Australian Indigenous resources and research, thoughtfully
curated to promote cultural awareness and appreciation.
It is essential to recognise that, due to the ongoing implications of
colonisation and resulting trauma, FASD and the harms of alcohol use has
emerged as an additional health burden for Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islanders"
https://www.nofasd.org.au/
#:~:text=curated%20materials%20offering,Torres%20Strait%20Islanders
Naturally, I have multitudes of reservations about that left wing, racist,
bias. :-)
YOU might characterize YOURSELF as a "selfish old drunk". *I* haven't
been a "drunk" for over 44 years
You're way too far up yourself to see it's not *all* about you,nor, for that
matter, me!

. Not MY fault I have survived to the
Post by Sharx335
age of 78. Just because I happen to be Caucasian and middle-class, WHY
should *I* be shit on.
Best ask yourself that question, given your proclivity to shit on yourself.
:-)

I see nothing boastworthy about being indigenous
Post by Sharx335
or so-called "first nation". We are ALL immigrants--in North America,
even the vaunted aboriginals and their oh-so-admired "spirituality" came
here over the then Bering Land Bridge. They fought amongst themselves
and were eventually defeated by the French, English, and Spanish. To the
victor goes the spoils. That's how it works. The aboriginals here did
things to each other far worse than us hated "colonists" ever did to them.
Having, to the best of contemporary knowledge, never inflicted FASD on any
infant, I hope I'm never so idiotically misogynistic as to preclude females
from our collective we.

Meanwhile, I've been unable to easily think of a worse brutality than our
inflicting on infants our 'civilised' curse of FASD that makes any pain on
any foetus being aborted totally inconsequential.

If funding for real FASD help is available, surely it should go to those
kids; rather than the likes of you and me.
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Sharx335
2024-08-23 21:06:44 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Dexter
Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask yourself, why on
earth would two words have an absolutely identical meaning
pertaining
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening", "spiritual
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all have the
same
Post by badgolferman
meaning.
Post by Bob
Now back to the regular topic.  Should people getting rides be
expected
Post by badgolferman
to pay for gas?  I already gave you my take.  What's yours?
My understanding is that when expense was involved in my reaching out to
others, and if often was, I was in reality a one man charity.
Dispensing charity can have harmful effects on the recipient, so my
responsibility was dependant on my assessment of to whom I gave, and to
what extent I gave. Consequently some individuals were not only given a ride,
but a meal too.
Fwiw, I can distinctly recall one member who was a hallmark of AA recovery,
having been already diagnosed with, and incarcerated for, causikoff
syndrome. I refused him both a ride and the meal, while explaining to him
precisely why I was doing so. I still believe that was kinder to him than
any charity would have been.
-------------------------------------
Would you be referring to Korsakoff syndrome?  AKA Wernicke-
Korsakoff Syndrome.
That's it
He had been in a Korsakoff facility in Charters Towers, Queensland,
Australia where he diligently took the AA steps and was ultimately
released. A nurse I knew who had worked at that facility said they were all
classified as hopeless.
Read the other day the facility had closed down, so maybe all the patients
are out in/on the streets these days.
PS. Had a quick look for where bureaucrats are shoving that Mossman Hall
money today.
Here's a question for you, Dexter
Aren't slim resources better spent on innocent youngsters than on us selfish
old drunks and our peers who passed on our problems?
"
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples
Uncover a wealth of resources dedicated to Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander Peoples. Access curated materials offering cultural depth and
understanding. Explore the Strong Born Campaign, an initiative raising
awareness about Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) within these
communities, providing support and essential information. Delve into a
collection of Australian Indigenous resources and research, thoughtfully
curated to promote cultural awareness and appreciation.
It is essential to recognise that, due to the ongoing implications of
colonisation and resulting trauma, FASD and the harms of alcohol use has
emerged as an additional health burden for Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islanders"
https://www.nofasd.org.au/
#:~:text=curated%20materials%20offering,Torres%20Strait%20Islanders
Naturally, I have multitudes of reservations about that left wing, racist,
bias. :-)
YOU might characterize YOURSELF as a "selfish old drunk". *I* haven't
been a "drunk" for over 44 years
You're way too far up yourself to see it's not *all* about you,nor, for that
matter, me!
. Not MY fault I have survived to the
Post by Sharx335
age of 78. Just because I happen to be Caucasian and middle-class, WHY
should *I* be shit on.
Best ask yourself that question, given your proclivity to shit on yourself.
:-)
I see nothing boastworthy about being indigenous
Post by Sharx335
or so-called "first nation". We are ALL immigrants--in North America,
even the vaunted aboriginals and their oh-so-admired "spirituality"
came here over the then Bering Land Bridge. They fought amongst
themselves and were eventually defeated by the French, English, and
Spanish. To the victor goes the spoils. That's how it works. The
aboriginals here did things to each other far worse than us hated
"colonists" ever did to them.
Having, to the best of contemporary knowledge, never inflicted FASD on any
infant, I hope I'm never so idiotically misogynistic as to preclude females
from our collective we.
Meanwhile, I've been unable to easily think of a worse brutality than our
inflicting on infants our 'civilised' curse of FASD that makes any pain on
any foetus being aborted totally inconsequential.
If funding for real FASD help is available, surely it should go to those
kids; rather than the likes of you and me.
I don't see the 2 groups as being mutually exclusive. FASD is a curse on
the innocent, without doubt, and must be seriously addressed. But so is
the proper care of the aged, regardless of any addictions they might
have. All too often, I've seen, here in Canada, how the aged, without
adequate personal finances, are "warehoused", often in
overheated/undercooled facilities, inadequately staffed, all too often
only getting ONE bath/shower a week and having to sit/lie in soiled
diapers for hours. You think, Bob, THAT should be tolerated any more or
less than FASD?
Bob
2024-08-23 21:29:05 UTC
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OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask yourself, why on
earth would two words have an absolutely identical meaning
pertaining
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening", "spiritual
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all have the
same
Post by badgolferman
meaning.
Post by Bob
Now back to the regular topic.  Should people getting rides be
expected
Post by badgolferman
to pay for gas?  I already gave you my take.  What's yours?
My understanding is that when expense was involved in my reaching out to
others, and if often was, I was in reality a one man charity.
Dispensing charity can have harmful effects on the recipient, so my
responsibility was dependant on my assessment of to whom I gave, and to
what extent I gave. Consequently some individuals were not only given a ride,
but a meal too.
Fwiw, I can distinctly recall one member who was a hallmark of AA recovery,
having been already diagnosed with, and incarcerated for, causikoff
syndrome. I refused him both a ride and the meal, while explaining to him
precisely why I was doing so. I still believe that was kinder to him than
any charity would have been.
-------------------------------------
Would you be referring to Korsakoff syndrome?  AKA Wernicke-
Korsakoff Syndrome.
That's it
He had been in a Korsakoff facility in Charters Towers, Queensland,
Australia where he diligently took the AA steps and was ultimately
released. A nurse I knew who had worked at that facility said they were all
classified as hopeless.
Read the other day the facility had closed down, so maybe all the patients
are out in/on the streets these days.
PS. Had a quick look for where bureaucrats are shoving that Mossman Hall
money today.
Here's a question for you, Dexter
Aren't slim resources better spent on innocent youngsters than on us selfish
old drunks and our peers who passed on our problems?
"
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples
Uncover a wealth of resources dedicated to Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander Peoples. Access curated materials offering cultural depth and
understanding. Explore the Strong Born Campaign, an initiative raising
awareness about Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) within these
communities, providing support and essential information. Delve into a
collection of Australian Indigenous resources and research, thoughtfully
curated to promote cultural awareness and appreciation.
It is essential to recognise that, due to the ongoing implications of
colonisation and resulting trauma, FASD and the harms of alcohol use has
emerged as an additional health burden for Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islanders"
https://www.nofasd.org.au/
#:~:text=curated%20materials%20offering,Torres%20Strait%20Islanders
Naturally, I have multitudes of reservations about that left wing, racist,
bias. :-)
YOU might characterize YOURSELF as a "selfish old drunk". *I* haven't
been a "drunk" for over 44 years
You're way too far up yourself to see it's not *all* about you,nor, for that
matter, me!
. Not MY fault I have survived to the
Post by Sharx335
age of 78. Just because I happen to be Caucasian and middle-class, WHY
should *I* be shit on.
Best ask yourself that question, given your proclivity to shit on yourself.
:-)
I see nothing boastworthy about being indigenous
Post by Sharx335
or so-called "first nation". We are ALL immigrants--in North America,
even the vaunted aboriginals and their oh-so-admired "spirituality"
came here over the then Bering Land Bridge. They fought amongst
themselves and were eventually defeated by the French, English, and
Spanish. To the victor goes the spoils. That's how it works. The
aboriginals here did things to each other far worse than us hated
"colonists" ever did to them.
Having, to the best of contemporary knowledge, never inflicted FASD on any
infant, I hope I'm never so idiotically misogynistic as to preclude females
from our collective we.
Meanwhile, I've been unable to easily think of a worse brutality than our
inflicting on infants our 'civilised' curse of FASD that makes any pain on
any foetus being aborted totally inconsequential.
If funding for real FASD help is available, surely it should go to those
kids; rather than the likes of you and me.
I don't see the 2 groups as being mutually exclusive. FASD is a curse on
the innocent, without doubt, and must be seriously addressed. But so is
the proper care of the aged, regardless of any addictions they might
have. All too often, I've seen, here in Canada, how the aged, without
adequate personal finances, are "warehoused", often in
overheated/undercooled facilities, inadequately staffed, all too often
only getting ONE bath/shower a week and having to sit/lie in soiled
diapers for hours. You think, Bob, THAT should be tolerated any more or
less than FASD?
At the expense of being more explicit; I'll comfortably assert that if a
choice has to be made, it would be almost infinitely superior to favour an
infant enduring FASD rather than to favour people like me who caused the
condition in the first place.
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2024-08-24 00:31:03 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by Dexter
Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask yourself,
why on
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
earth would two words have an absolutely identical meaning
pertaining
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening", "spiritual
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all have
the same
Post by badgolferman
meaning.
Post by Bob
Now back to the regular topic.  Should people getting rides
be expected
Post by badgolferman
to pay for gas?  I already gave you my take.  What's yours?
My understanding is that when expense was involved in my reaching out to
others, and if often was, I was in reality a one man charity.
Dispensing charity can have harmful effects on the recipient, so my
responsibility was dependant on my assessment of to whom I gave, and to
what extent I gave. Consequently some individuals were not only given a ride,
but a meal too.
Fwiw, I can distinctly recall one member who was a hallmark of AA recovery,
having been already diagnosed with, and incarcerated for, causikoff
syndrome. I refused him both a ride and the meal, while
explaining to him
precisely why I was doing so. I still believe that was kinder to him than
any charity would have been.
-------------------------------------
Would you be referring to Korsakoff syndrome?  AKA Wernicke-
Korsakoff Syndrome.
That's it
He had been in a Korsakoff facility in Charters Towers, Queensland,
Australia where he diligently took the AA steps and was ultimately
released. A nurse I knew who had worked at that facility said they were all
classified as hopeless.
Read the other day the facility had closed down, so maybe all the patients
are out in/on the streets these days.
PS. Had a quick look for where bureaucrats are shoving that Mossman Hall
money today.
Here's a question for you, Dexter
Aren't slim resources better spent on innocent youngsters than on us selfish
old drunks and our peers who passed on our problems?
"
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples
Uncover a wealth of resources dedicated to Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander Peoples. Access curated materials offering cultural depth and
understanding. Explore the Strong Born Campaign, an initiative raising
awareness about Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) within these
communities, providing support and essential information. Delve into a
collection of Australian Indigenous resources and research, thoughtfully
curated to promote cultural awareness and appreciation.
It is essential to recognise that, due to the ongoing implications of
colonisation and resulting trauma, FASD and the harms of alcohol use has
emerged as an additional health burden for Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islanders"
https://www.nofasd.org.au/
#:~:text=curated%20materials%20offering,Torres%20Strait%20Islanders
Naturally, I have multitudes of reservations about that left wing, racist,
bias. :-)
YOU might characterize YOURSELF as a "selfish old drunk". *I*
haven't been a "drunk" for over 44 years
You're way too far up yourself to see it's not *all* about you,nor, for that
matter, me!
. Not MY fault I have survived to the
Post by Sharx335
age of 78. Just because I happen to be Caucasian and middle-class,
WHY should *I* be shit on.
Best ask yourself that question, given your proclivity to shit on yourself.
:-)
I see nothing boastworthy about being indigenous
Post by Sharx335
or so-called "first nation". We are ALL immigrants--in North
America, even the vaunted aboriginals and their oh-so-admired
"spirituality" came here over the then Bering Land Bridge. They
fought amongst themselves and were eventually defeated by the
French, English, and Spanish. To the victor goes the spoils. That's
how it works. The aboriginals here did things to each other far
worse than us hated "colonists" ever did to them.
Having, to the best of contemporary knowledge, never inflicted FASD on any
infant, I hope I'm never so idiotically misogynistic as to preclude females
from our collective we.
Meanwhile, I've been unable to easily think of a worse brutality than our
inflicting on infants our 'civilised' curse of FASD that makes any pain on
any foetus being aborted totally inconsequential.
If funding for real FASD help is available, surely it should go to those
kids; rather than the likes of you and me.
I don't see the 2 groups as being mutually exclusive. FASD is a curse
on the innocent, without doubt, and must be seriously addressed. But
so is the proper care of the aged, regardless of any addictions they
might have. All too often, I've seen, here in Canada, how the aged,
without adequate personal finances, are "warehoused", often in
overheated/undercooled facilities, inadequately staffed, all too often
only getting ONE bath/shower a week and having to sit/lie in soiled
diapers for hours. You think, Bob, THAT should be tolerated any more
or less than FASD?
At the expense of being more explicit; I'll comfortably assert that if a
choice has to be made, it would be almost infinitely superior to favour an
infant enduring FASD rather than to favour people like me who caused the
condition in the first place.
Oh, fuck off. The CHOICE does NOT have to me made. Get back to reality.
Bob
2024-08-24 00:47:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by Dexter
Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask yourself,
why on
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
earth would two words have an absolutely identical meaning
pertaining
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening", "spiritual
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all have
the same
Post by badgolferman
meaning.
Post by Bob
Now back to the regular topic.  Should people getting rides
be expected
Post by badgolferman
to pay for gas?  I already gave you my take.  What's yours?
My understanding is that when expense was involved in my reaching out to
others, and if often was, I was in reality a one man charity.
Dispensing charity can have harmful effects on the recipient, so my
responsibility was dependant on my assessment of to whom I gave, and to
what extent I gave. Consequently some individuals were not only
given a ride,
but a meal too.
Fwiw, I can distinctly recall one member who was a hallmark of AA recovery,
having been already diagnosed with, and incarcerated for, causikoff
syndrome. I refused him both a ride and the meal, while explaining to him
precisely why I was doing so. I still believe that was kinder to him than
any charity would have been.
-------------------------------------
Would you be referring to Korsakoff syndrome?  AKA Wernicke-
Korsakoff Syndrome.
That's it
He had been in a Korsakoff facility in Charters Towers, Queensland,
Australia where he diligently took the AA steps and was ultimately
released. A nurse I knew who had worked at that facility said they were all
classified as hopeless.
Read the other day the facility had closed down, so maybe all the patients
are out in/on the streets these days.
PS. Had a quick look for where bureaucrats are shoving that Mossman Hall
money today.
Here's a question for you, Dexter
Aren't slim resources better spent on innocent youngsters than on us selfish
old drunks and our peers who passed on our problems?
"
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples
Uncover a wealth of resources dedicated to Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander Peoples. Access curated materials offering cultural depth and
understanding. Explore the Strong Born Campaign, an initiative raising
awareness about Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) within these
communities, providing support and essential information. Delve into a
collection of Australian Indigenous resources and research, thoughtfully
curated to promote cultural awareness and appreciation.
It is essential to recognise that, due to the ongoing implications of
colonisation and resulting trauma, FASD and the harms of alcohol use has
emerged as an additional health burden for Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islanders"
https://www.nofasd.org.au/
#:~:text=curated%20materials%20offering,Torres%20Strait%20Islanders
Naturally, I have multitudes of reservations about that left wing, racist,
bias. :-)
YOU might characterize YOURSELF as a "selfish old drunk". *I*
haven't been a "drunk" for over 44 years
You're way too far up yourself to see it's not *all* about you,nor, for that
matter, me!
. Not MY fault I have survived to the
Post by Sharx335
age of 78. Just because I happen to be Caucasian and middle-class,
WHY should *I* be shit on.
Best ask yourself that question, given your proclivity to shit on yourself.
:-)
I see nothing boastworthy about being indigenous
Post by Sharx335
or so-called "first nation". We are ALL immigrants--in North
America, even the vaunted aboriginals and their oh-so-admired
"spirituality" came here over the then Bering Land Bridge. They
fought amongst themselves and were eventually defeated by the
French, English, and Spanish. To the victor goes the spoils. That's
how it works. The aboriginals here did things to each other far
worse than us hated "colonists" ever did to them.
Having, to the best of contemporary knowledge, never inflicted FASD on any
infant, I hope I'm never so idiotically misogynistic as to preclude females
from our collective we.
Meanwhile, I've been unable to easily think of a worse brutality than our
inflicting on infants our 'civilised' curse of FASD that makes any pain on
any foetus being aborted totally inconsequential.
If funding for real FASD help is available, surely it should go to those
kids; rather than the likes of you and me.
I don't see the 2 groups as being mutually exclusive. FASD is a curse
on the innocent, without doubt, and must be seriously addressed. But
so is the proper care of the aged, regardless of any addictions they
might have. All too often, I've seen, here in Canada, how the aged,
without adequate personal finances, are "warehoused", often in
overheated/undercooled facilities, inadequately staffed, all too often
only getting ONE bath/shower a week and having to sit/lie in soiled
diapers for hours. You think, Bob, THAT should be tolerated any more
or less than FASD?
At the expense of being more explicit; I'll comfortably assert that if a
choice has to be made, it would be almost infinitely superior to favour an
infant enduring FASD rather than to favour people like me who caused the
condition in the first place.
Oh, fuck off. The CHOICE does NOT have to me made. Get back to reality.
You, and your pal Jon, have proven, indisputably, that a choice to discover
extant reality, let alone get back to where 'you've' never been; does NOT
have to be made! ;-)
--
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Sharx335
2024-08-24 02:09:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by Dexter
Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask yourself,
why on
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
earth would two words have an absolutely identical meaning
pertaining
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening", "spiritual
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all have
the same
Post by badgolferman
meaning.
Post by Bob
Now back to the regular topic.  Should people getting
rides be expected
Post by badgolferman
to pay for gas?  I already gave you my take.  What's yours?
My understanding is that when expense was involved in my reaching out to
others, and if often was, I was in reality a one man charity.
Dispensing charity can have harmful effects on the recipient, so my
responsibility was dependant on my assessment of to whom I gave, and to
what extent I gave. Consequently some individuals were not
only given a ride,
but a meal too.
Fwiw, I can distinctly recall one member who was a hallmark of
AA recovery,
having been already diagnosed with, and incarcerated for, causikoff
syndrome. I refused him both a ride and the meal, while explaining to him
precisely why I was doing so. I still believe that was kinder to him than
any charity would have been.
-------------------------------------
Would you be referring to Korsakoff syndrome?  AKA Wernicke-
Korsakoff Syndrome.
That's it
He had been in a Korsakoff facility in Charters Towers, Queensland,
Australia where he diligently took the AA steps and was ultimately
released. A nurse I knew who had worked at that facility said they were all
classified as hopeless.
Read the other day the facility had closed down, so maybe all the patients
are out in/on the streets these days.
PS. Had a quick look for where bureaucrats are shoving that Mossman Hall
money today.
Here's a question for you, Dexter
Aren't slim resources better spent on innocent youngsters than on us selfish
old drunks and our peers who passed on our problems?
"
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples
Uncover a wealth of resources dedicated to Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander Peoples. Access curated materials offering cultural depth and
understanding. Explore the Strong Born Campaign, an initiative raising
awareness about Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) within these
communities, providing support and essential information. Delve into a
collection of Australian Indigenous resources and research, thoughtfully
curated to promote cultural awareness and appreciation.
It is essential to recognise that, due to the ongoing
implications of
colonisation and resulting trauma, FASD and the harms of alcohol use has
emerged as an additional health burden for Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islanders"
https://www.nofasd.org.au/
#:~:text=curated%20materials%20offering,Torres%20Strait%20Islanders
Naturally, I have multitudes of reservations about that left wing, racist,
bias. :-)
YOU might characterize YOURSELF as a "selfish old drunk". *I*
haven't been a "drunk" for over 44 years
You're way too far up yourself to see it's not *all* about you,nor, for that
matter, me!
. Not MY fault I have survived to the
Post by Sharx335
age of 78. Just because I happen to be Caucasian and middle-class,
WHY should *I* be shit on.
Best ask yourself that question, given your proclivity to shit on yourself.
:-)
I see nothing boastworthy about being indigenous
Post by Sharx335
or so-called "first nation". We are ALL immigrants--in North
America, even the vaunted aboriginals and their oh-so-admired
"spirituality" came here over the then Bering Land Bridge. They
fought amongst themselves and were eventually defeated by the
French, English, and Spanish. To the victor goes the spoils.
That's how it works. The aboriginals here did things to each other
far worse than us hated "colonists" ever did to them.
Having, to the best of contemporary knowledge, never inflicted FASD on any
infant, I hope I'm never so idiotically misogynistic as to preclude females
from our collective we.
Meanwhile, I've been unable to easily think of a worse brutality than our
inflicting on infants our 'civilised' curse of FASD that makes any pain on
any foetus being aborted totally inconsequential.
If funding for real FASD help is available, surely it should go to those
kids; rather than the likes of you and me.
I don't see the 2 groups as being mutually exclusive. FASD is a
curse on the innocent, without doubt, and must be seriously
addressed. But so is the proper care of the aged, regardless of any
addictions they might have. All too often, I've seen, here in
Canada, how the aged, without adequate personal finances, are
"warehoused", often in overheated/undercooled facilities,
inadequately staffed, all too often only getting ONE bath/shower a
week and having to sit/lie in soiled diapers for hours. You think,
Bob, THAT should be tolerated any more or less than FASD?
At the expense of being more explicit; I'll comfortably assert that if a
choice has to be made, it would be almost infinitely superior to favour an
infant enduring FASD rather than to favour people like me who caused the
condition in the first place.
Oh, fuck off.  The CHOICE does NOT have to me made. Get back to reality.
You, and your pal Jon, have proven, indisputably, that a choice to discover
extant reality, let alone get back to where 'you've' never been; does NOT
have to be made! ;-
If you say so.
Bob
2024-08-24 02:30:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by Dexter
Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask yourself,
why on
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
earth would two words have an absolutely identical meaning
pertaining
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening", "spiritual
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all have
the same
Post by badgolferman
meaning.
Post by Bob
Now back to the regular topic.  Should people getting
rides be expected
Post by badgolferman
to pay for gas?  I already gave you my take.  What's yours?
My understanding is that when expense was involved in my
reaching out to
others, and if often was, I was in reality a one man charity.
Dispensing charity can have harmful effects on the recipient, so my
responsibility was dependant on my assessment of to whom I gave, and to
what extent I gave. Consequently some individuals were not
only given a ride,
but a meal too.
Fwiw, I can distinctly recall one member who was a hallmark of
AA recovery,
having been already diagnosed with, and incarcerated for, causikoff
syndrome. I refused him both a ride and the meal, while
explaining to him
precisely why I was doing so. I still believe that was kinder
to him than
any charity would have been.
-------------------------------------
Would you be referring to Korsakoff syndrome?  AKA Wernicke-
Korsakoff Syndrome.
That's it
He had been in a Korsakoff facility in Charters Towers, Queensland,
Australia where he diligently took the AA steps and was ultimately
released. A nurse I knew who had worked at that facility said they were all
classified as hopeless.
Read the other day the facility had closed down, so maybe all the patients
are out in/on the streets these days.
PS. Had a quick look for where bureaucrats are shoving that Mossman Hall
money today.
Here's a question for you, Dexter
Aren't slim resources better spent on innocent youngsters than on us selfish
old drunks and our peers who passed on our problems?
"
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples
Uncover a wealth of resources dedicated to Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander Peoples. Access curated materials offering cultural depth and
understanding. Explore the Strong Born Campaign, an initiative raising
awareness about Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) within these
communities, providing support and essential information. Delve into a
collection of Australian Indigenous resources and research, thoughtfully
curated to promote cultural awareness and appreciation.
It is essential to recognise that, due to the ongoing
implications of
colonisation and resulting trauma, FASD and the harms of alcohol use has
emerged as an additional health burden for Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islanders"
https://www.nofasd.org.au/
#:~:text=curated%20materials%20offering,Torres%20Strait%20Islanders
Naturally, I have multitudes of reservations about that left wing, racist,
bias. :-)
YOU might characterize YOURSELF as a "selfish old drunk". *I*
haven't been a "drunk" for over 44 years
You're way too far up yourself to see it's not *all* about you,nor, for that
matter, me!
. Not MY fault I have survived to the
Post by Sharx335
age of 78. Just because I happen to be Caucasian and middle-class,
WHY should *I* be shit on.
Best ask yourself that question, given your proclivity to shit on yourself.
:-)
I see nothing boastworthy about being indigenous
Post by Sharx335
or so-called "first nation". We are ALL immigrants--in North
America, even the vaunted aboriginals and their oh-so-admired
"spirituality" came here over the then Bering Land Bridge. They
fought amongst themselves and were eventually defeated by the
French, English, and Spanish. To the victor goes the spoils.
That's how it works. The aboriginals here did things to each other
far worse than us hated "colonists" ever did to them.
Having, to the best of contemporary knowledge, never inflicted FASD on any
infant, I hope I'm never so idiotically misogynistic as to preclude females
from our collective we.
Meanwhile, I've been unable to easily think of a worse brutality than our
inflicting on infants our 'civilised' curse of FASD that makes any pain on
any foetus being aborted totally inconsequential.
If funding for real FASD help is available, surely it should go to those
kids; rather than the likes of you and me.
I don't see the 2 groups as being mutually exclusive. FASD is a
curse on the innocent, without doubt, and must be seriously
addressed. But so is the proper care of the aged, regardless of any
addictions they might have. All too often, I've seen, here in
Canada, how the aged, without adequate personal finances, are
"warehoused", often in overheated/undercooled facilities,
inadequately staffed, all too often only getting ONE bath/shower a
week and having to sit/lie in soiled diapers for hours. You think,
Bob, THAT should be tolerated any more or less than FASD?
At the expense of being more explicit; I'll comfortably assert that if a
choice has to be made, it would be almost infinitely superior to favour an
infant enduring FASD rather than to favour people like me who caused the
condition in the first place.
Oh, fuck off.  The CHOICE does NOT have to me made. Get back to reality.
You, and your pal Jon, have proven, indisputably, that a choice to discover
extant reality, let alone get back to where 'you've' never been; does NOT
have to be made! ;-
If you say so.
Not only did I say so, I'll detail the reasoning for saying so.
You jumped in on a question I asked of Dexter, whom I still believe capable
of the introspection that often easily, proactively, saves the
embarrassment consistent with others pointing out one's own cognitive
dissonance.

Believing you proficient at digressing simply to avoid embarrassment. you're
effectively immune to embarrassment, so no point expecting you to discover
a lot of reality otherwise feasibly accessible to you! :-)
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2024-08-24 05:52:35 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by Dexter
Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask
yourself, why on
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
earth would two words have an absolutely identical
meaning pertaining
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening", "spiritual
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all
have the same
Post by badgolferman
meaning.
Post by Bob
Now back to the regular topic.  Should people getting
rides be expected
Post by badgolferman
to pay for gas?  I already gave you my take.  What's yours?
My understanding is that when expense was involved in my
reaching out to
others, and if often was, I was in reality a one man charity.
Dispensing charity can have harmful effects on the
recipient, so my
responsibility was dependant on my assessment of to whom I
gave, and to
what extent I gave. Consequently some individuals were not
only given a ride,
but a meal too.
Fwiw, I can distinctly recall one member who was a hallmark
of AA recovery,
having been already diagnosed with, and incarcerated for, causikoff
syndrome. I refused him both a ride and the meal, while
explaining to him
precisely why I was doing so. I still believe that was
kinder to him than
any charity would have been.
-------------------------------------
Would you be referring to Korsakoff syndrome?  AKA Wernicke-
Korsakoff Syndrome.
That's it
He had been in a Korsakoff facility in Charters Towers, Queensland,
Australia where he diligently took the AA steps and was ultimately
released. A nurse I knew who had worked at that facility said
they were all
classified as hopeless.
Read the other day the facility had closed down, so maybe all
the patients
are out in/on the streets these days.
PS. Had a quick look for where bureaucrats are shoving that Mossman Hall
money today.
Here's a question for you, Dexter
Aren't slim resources better spent on innocent youngsters than
on us selfish
old drunks and our peers who passed on our problems?
"
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples
Uncover a wealth of resources dedicated to Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander Peoples. Access curated materials offering cultural depth and
understanding. Explore the Strong Born Campaign, an initiative raising
awareness about Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) within these
communities, providing support and essential information. Delve into a
collection of Australian Indigenous resources and research, thoughtfully
curated to promote cultural awareness and appreciation.
It is essential to recognise that, due to the ongoing
implications of
colonisation and resulting trauma, FASD and the harms of alcohol use has
emerged as an additional health burden for Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islanders"
https://www.nofasd.org.au/
#:~:text=curated%20materials%20offering,Torres%20Strait%20Islanders
Naturally, I have multitudes of reservations about that left wing, racist,
bias. :-)
YOU might characterize YOURSELF as a "selfish old drunk". *I*
haven't been a "drunk" for over 44 years
You're way too far up yourself to see it's not *all* about you,nor, for that
matter, me!
. Not MY fault I have survived to the
Post by Sharx335
age of 78. Just because I happen to be Caucasian and middle-
class, WHY should *I* be shit on.
Best ask yourself that question, given your proclivity to shit on yourself.
:-)
I see nothing boastworthy about being indigenous
Post by Sharx335
or so-called "first nation". We are ALL immigrants--in North
America, even the vaunted aboriginals and their oh-so-admired
"spirituality" came here over the then Bering Land Bridge. They
fought amongst themselves and were eventually defeated by the
French, English, and Spanish. To the victor goes the spoils.
That's how it works. The aboriginals here did things to each
other far worse than us hated "colonists" ever did to them.
Having, to the best of contemporary knowledge, never inflicted FASD on any
infant, I hope I'm never so idiotically misogynistic as to preclude females
from our collective we.
Meanwhile, I've been unable to easily think of a worse brutality than our
inflicting on infants our 'civilised' curse of FASD that makes any pain on
any foetus being aborted totally inconsequential.
If funding for real FASD help is available, surely it should go to those
kids; rather than the likes of you and me.
I don't see the 2 groups as being mutually exclusive. FASD is a
curse on the innocent, without doubt, and must be seriously
addressed. But so is the proper care of the aged, regardless of
any addictions they might have. All too often, I've seen, here in
Canada, how the aged, without adequate personal finances, are
"warehoused", often in overheated/undercooled facilities,
inadequately staffed, all too often only getting ONE bath/shower a
week and having to sit/lie in soiled diapers for hours. You think,
Bob, THAT should be tolerated any more or less than FASD?
At the expense of being more explicit; I'll comfortably assert that if a
choice has to be made, it would be almost infinitely superior to favour an
infant enduring FASD rather than to favour people like me who caused the
condition in the first place.
Oh, fuck off.  The CHOICE does NOT have to me made. Get back to reality.
You, and your pal Jon, have proven, indisputably, that a choice to discover
extant reality, let alone get back to where 'you've' never been; does NOT
have to be made! ;-
If you say so.
Not only did I say so, I'll detail the reasoning for saying so.
You jumped in on a question I asked of Dexter, whom I still believe capable
of the introspection that often easily, proactively, saves the
embarrassment consistent with others pointing out one's own cognitive
dissonance.
Believing you proficient at digressing simply to avoid embarrassment. you're
effectively immune to embarrassment, so no point expecting you to discover
a lot of reality otherwise feasibly accessible to you! :-)
"effectively immune to embarrassment"? Sounds like a compliment. Thank
ye, Bob.
Bob
2024-08-24 08:21:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by Dexter
Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask
yourself, why on
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
earth would two words have an absolutely identical
meaning pertaining
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening", "spiritual
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all
have the same
Post by badgolferman
meaning.
Post by Bob
Now back to the regular topic.  Should people getting
rides be expected
Post by badgolferman
to pay for gas?  I already gave you my take.  What's yours?
My understanding is that when expense was involved in my
reaching out to
others, and if often was, I was in reality a one man charity.
Dispensing charity can have harmful effects on the
recipient, so my
responsibility was dependant on my assessment of to whom I
gave, and to
what extent I gave. Consequently some individuals were not
only given a ride,
but a meal too.
Fwiw, I can distinctly recall one member who was a hallmark
of AA recovery,
having been already diagnosed with, and incarcerated for, causikoff
syndrome. I refused him both a ride and the meal, while
explaining to him
precisely why I was doing so. I still believe that was
kinder to him than
any charity would have been.
-------------------------------------
Would you be referring to Korsakoff syndrome?  AKA Wernicke-
Korsakoff Syndrome.
That's it
He had been in a Korsakoff facility in Charters Towers, Queensland,
Australia where he diligently took the AA steps and was ultimately
released. A nurse I knew who had worked at that facility said
they were all
classified as hopeless.
Read the other day the facility had closed down, so maybe all
the patients
are out in/on the streets these days.
PS. Had a quick look for where bureaucrats are shoving that Mossman Hall
money today.
Here's a question for you, Dexter
Aren't slim resources better spent on innocent youngsters than
on us selfish
old drunks and our peers who passed on our problems?
"
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples
Uncover a wealth of resources dedicated to Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander Peoples. Access curated materials offering cultural depth and
understanding. Explore the Strong Born Campaign, an initiative raising
awareness about Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) within these
communities, providing support and essential information. Delve into a
collection of Australian Indigenous resources and research, thoughtfully
curated to promote cultural awareness and appreciation.
It is essential to recognise that, due to the ongoing
implications of
colonisation and resulting trauma, FASD and the harms of alcohol use has
emerged as an additional health burden for Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islanders"
https://www.nofasd.org.au/
#:~:text=curated%20materials%20offering,Torres%20Strait%20Islanders
Naturally, I have multitudes of reservations about that left
wing, racist,
bias. :-)
YOU might characterize YOURSELF as a "selfish old drunk". *I*
haven't been a "drunk" for over 44 years
You're way too far up yourself to see it's not *all* about you,nor, for that
matter, me!
. Not MY fault I have survived to the
Post by Sharx335
age of 78. Just because I happen to be Caucasian and middle-
class, WHY should *I* be shit on.
Best ask yourself that question, given your proclivity to shit on yourself.
:-)
I see nothing boastworthy about being indigenous
Post by Sharx335
or so-called "first nation". We are ALL immigrants--in North
America, even the vaunted aboriginals and their oh-so-admired
"spirituality" came here over the then Bering Land Bridge. They
fought amongst themselves and were eventually defeated by the
French, English, and Spanish. To the victor goes the spoils.
That's how it works. The aboriginals here did things to each
other far worse than us hated "colonists" ever did to them.
Having, to the best of contemporary knowledge, never inflicted FASD on any
infant, I hope I'm never so idiotically misogynistic as to preclude females
from our collective we.
Meanwhile, I've been unable to easily think of a worse brutality than our
inflicting on infants our 'civilised' curse of FASD that makes any pain on
any foetus being aborted totally inconsequential.
If funding for real FASD help is available, surely it should go to those
kids; rather than the likes of you and me.
I don't see the 2 groups as being mutually exclusive. FASD is a
curse on the innocent, without doubt, and must be seriously
addressed. But so is the proper care of the aged, regardless of
any addictions they might have. All too often, I've seen, here in
Canada, how the aged, without adequate personal finances, are
"warehoused", often in overheated/undercooled facilities,
inadequately staffed, all too often only getting ONE bath/shower a
week and having to sit/lie in soiled diapers for hours. You think,
Bob, THAT should be tolerated any more or less than FASD?
At the expense of being more explicit; I'll comfortably assert that if a
choice has to be made, it would be almost infinitely superior to favour an
infant enduring FASD rather than to favour people like me who caused the
condition in the first place.
Oh, fuck off.  The CHOICE does NOT have to me made. Get back to reality.
You, and your pal Jon, have proven, indisputably, that a choice to discover
extant reality, let alone get back to where 'you've' never been; does NOT
have to be made! ;-
If you say so.
Not only did I say so, I'll detail the reasoning for saying so.
You jumped in on a question I asked of Dexter, whom I still believe capable
of the introspection that often easily, proactively, saves the
embarrassment consistent with others pointing out one's own cognitive
dissonance.
Believing you proficient at digressing simply to avoid embarrassment. you're
effectively immune to embarrassment, so no point expecting you to discover
a lot of reality otherwise feasibly accessible to you! :-)
"effectively immune to embarrassment"? Sounds like a compliment. Thank
ye, Bob.
Don't get excited. Was trying out that spirit of lurve and fellership caper
is all. :-)
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Sharx335
2024-08-24 18:00:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Sharx335
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by Dexter
Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask
yourself, why on
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
earth would two words have an absolutely identical
meaning pertaining
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening",
"spiritual
Post by badgolferman
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all
have the same
Post by badgolferman
meaning.
Post by Bob
Now back to the regular topic.  Should people getting
rides be expected
Post by badgolferman
to pay for gas?  I already gave you my take.  What's yours?
My understanding is that when expense was involved in my
reaching out to
others, and if often was, I was in reality a one man charity.
Dispensing charity can have harmful effects on the
recipient, so my
responsibility was dependant on my assessment of to whom I
gave, and to
what extent I gave. Consequently some individuals were not
only given a ride,
but a meal too.
Fwiw, I can distinctly recall one member who was a
hallmark of AA recovery,
having been already diagnosed with, and incarcerated for,
causikoff
syndrome. I refused him both a ride and the meal, while
explaining to him
precisely why I was doing so. I still believe that was
kinder to him than
any charity would have been.
-------------------------------------
Would you be referring to Korsakoff syndrome?  AKA
Wernicke- Korsakoff Syndrome.
That's it
He had been in a Korsakoff facility in Charters Towers, Queensland,
Australia where he diligently took the AA steps and was ultimately
released. A nurse I knew who had worked at that facility
said they were all
classified as hopeless.
Read the other day the facility had closed down, so maybe
all the patients
are out in/on the streets these days.
PS. Had a quick look for where bureaucrats are shoving that
Mossman Hall
money today.
Here's a question for you, Dexter
Aren't slim resources better spent on innocent youngsters
than on us selfish
old drunks and our peers who passed on our problems?
"
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples
Uncover a wealth of resources dedicated to Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander Peoples. Access curated materials offering cultural depth and
understanding. Explore the Strong Born Campaign, an
initiative raising
awareness about Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) within these
communities, providing support and essential information. Delve into a
collection of Australian Indigenous resources and research,
thoughtfully
curated to promote cultural awareness and appreciation.
It is essential to recognise that, due to the ongoing implications of
colonisation and resulting trauma, FASD and the harms of
alcohol use has
emerged as an additional health burden for Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islanders"
https://www.nofasd.org.au/
#:~:text=curated%20materials%20offering,Torres%20Strait%20Islanders
Naturally, I have multitudes of reservations about that left
wing, racist,
bias. :-)
YOU might characterize YOURSELF as a "selfish old drunk". *I*
haven't been a "drunk" for over 44 years
You're way too far up yourself to see it's not *all* about
you,nor, for that
matter, me!
. Not MY fault I have survived to the
Post by Sharx335
age of 78. Just because I happen to be Caucasian and middle-
class, WHY should *I* be shit on.
Best ask yourself that question, given your proclivity to shit on yourself.
:-)
I see nothing boastworthy about being indigenous
Post by Sharx335
or so-called "first nation". We are ALL immigrants--in North
America, even the vaunted aboriginals and their oh-so-admired
"spirituality" came here over the then Bering Land Bridge.
They fought amongst themselves and were eventually defeated by
the French, English, and Spanish. To the victor goes the
spoils. That's how it works. The aboriginals here did things
to each other far worse than us hated "colonists" ever did to
them.
Having, to the best of contemporary knowledge, never inflicted FASD on any
infant, I hope I'm never so idiotically misogynistic as to preclude females
from our collective we.
Meanwhile, I've been unable to easily think of a worse
brutality than our
inflicting on infants our 'civilised' curse of FASD that makes any pain on
any foetus being aborted totally inconsequential.
If funding for real FASD help is available, surely it should go to those
kids; rather than the likes of you and me.
I don't see the 2 groups as being mutually exclusive. FASD is a
curse on the innocent, without doubt, and must be seriously
addressed. But so is the proper care of the aged, regardless of
any addictions they might have. All too often, I've seen, here
in Canada, how the aged, without adequate personal finances, are
"warehoused", often in overheated/undercooled facilities,
inadequately staffed, all too often only getting ONE bath/shower
a week and having to sit/lie in soiled diapers for hours. You
think, Bob, THAT should be tolerated any more or less than FASD?
At the expense of being more explicit; I'll comfortably assert that if a
choice has to be made, it would be almost infinitely superior to favour an
infant enduring FASD rather than to favour people like me who caused the
condition in the first place.
Oh, fuck off.  The CHOICE does NOT have to me made. Get back to reality.
You, and your pal Jon, have proven, indisputably, that a choice to discover
extant reality, let alone get back to where 'you've' never been; does NOT
have to be made! ;-
If you say so.
Not only did I say so, I'll detail the reasoning for saying so.
You jumped in on a question I asked of Dexter, whom I still believe capable
of the introspection that often easily, proactively, saves the
embarrassment consistent with others pointing out one's own cognitive
dissonance.
Believing you proficient at digressing simply to avoid embarrassment. you're
effectively immune to embarrassment, so no point expecting you to discover
a lot of reality otherwise feasibly accessible to you! :-)
"effectively immune to embarrassment"?  Sounds like a compliment.
Thank ye, Bob.
Don't get excited. Was trying out that spirit of lurve and fellership caper
is all. :-)
Have a nice day!

Dexter
2024-08-23 20:28:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob
Post by Dexter
Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask yourself, why on
earth would two words have an absolutely identical meaning pertaining
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening", "spiritual
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all have the same
meaning.
Post by Bob
Now back to the regular topic. Should people getting rides be
expected >>>> to pay for gas? I already gave you my take. What's yours?
Post by Bob
Post by Dexter
Post by Bob
My understanding is that when expense was involved in my reaching out to
others, and if often was, I was in reality a one man charity.
Dispensing charity can have harmful effects on the recipient, so my
responsibility was dependant on my assessment of to whom I gave, and to
what extent I gave. Consequently some individuals were not only given a
ride, but a meal too.
Fwiw, I can distinctly recall one member who was a hallmark of AA
recovery, having been already diagnosed with, and incarcerated for,
causikoff syndrome. I refused him both a ride and the meal, while
explaining to him precisely why I was doing so. I still believe that
was kinder to him than any charity would have been.
-------------------------------------
Would you be referring to Korsakoff syndrome? AKA Wernicke-Korsakoff
Syndrome.
That's it
He had been in a Korsakoff facility in Charters Towers, Queensland,
Australia where he diligently took the AA steps and was ultimately
released. A nurse I knew who had worked at that facility said they were all
classified as hopeless.
Read the other day the facility had closed down, so maybe all the patients
are out in/on the streets these days.
PS. Had a quick look for where bureaucrats are shoving that Mossman Hall
money today.
Here's a question for you, Dexter
Aren't slim resources better spent on innocent youngsters than on us selfish
old drunks and our peers who passed on our problems?
"
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples
Uncover a wealth of resources dedicated to Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander Peoples. Access curated materials offering cultural depth and
understanding. Explore the Strong Born Campaign, an initiative raising
awareness about Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) within these
communities, providing support and essential information. Delve into a
collection of Australian Indigenous resources and research, thoughtfully
curated to promote cultural awareness and appreciation.
It is essential to recognise that, due to the ongoing implications of
colonisation and resulting trauma, FASD and the harms of alcohol use has
emerged as an additional health burden for Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islanders"
https://www.nofasd.org.au/#:~:text=curated%20materials%20offering,Torres%20Strait%20Islanders
Naturally, I have multitudes of reservations about that left wing, racist,
bias. :-)
-------------------------------------

What an odd question. Not sure why you're asking me. FAS is a real
tragedy without question. But it seems in this day and age compassion
is in short supply, and not only in the US. It also appears you have an
axe to grind so I'll leave you to it. Have fun.
Bob
2024-08-23 20:43:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by Dexter
Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask yourself, why on
earth would two words have an absolutely identical meaning pertaining
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening", "spiritual
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all have the same
meaning.
Post by Bob
Now back to the regular topic. Should people getting rides be
expected >>>> to pay for gas? I already gave you my take. What's yours?
Post by Bob
Post by Dexter
Post by Bob
My understanding is that when expense was involved in my reaching out to
others, and if often was, I was in reality a one man charity.
Dispensing charity can have harmful effects on the recipient, so my
responsibility was dependant on my assessment of to whom I gave, and to
what extent I gave. Consequently some individuals were not only given a
ride, but a meal too.
Fwiw, I can distinctly recall one member who was a hallmark of AA
recovery, having been already diagnosed with, and incarcerated for,
causikoff syndrome. I refused him both a ride and the meal, while
explaining to him precisely why I was doing so. I still believe that
was kinder to him than any charity would have been.
-------------------------------------
Would you be referring to Korsakoff syndrome? AKA Wernicke-Korsakoff
Syndrome.
That's it
He had been in a Korsakoff facility in Charters Towers, Queensland,
Australia where he diligently took the AA steps and was ultimately
released. A nurse I knew who had worked at that facility said they were all
classified as hopeless.
Read the other day the facility had closed down, so maybe all the patients
are out in/on the streets these days.
PS. Had a quick look for where bureaucrats are shoving that Mossman Hall
money today.
Here's a question for you, Dexter
Aren't slim resources better spent on innocent youngsters than on us selfish
old drunks and our peers who passed on our problems?
"
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples
Uncover a wealth of resources dedicated to Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander Peoples. Access curated materials offering cultural depth and
understanding. Explore the Strong Born Campaign, an initiative raising
awareness about Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) within these
communities, providing support and essential information. Delve into a
collection of Australian Indigenous resources and research, thoughtfully
curated to promote cultural awareness and appreciation.
It is essential to recognise that, due to the ongoing implications of
colonisation and resulting trauma, FASD and the harms of alcohol use has
emerged as an additional health burden for Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islanders"
https://www.nofasd.org.au/#:~:text=curated%20materials%20offering,Torres%20Strait%20Islanders
Naturally, I have multitudes of reservations about that left wing, racist,
bias. :-)
-------------------------------------
What an odd question. Not sure why you're asking me.
Sorry about that. I'd assumed it was exceptions to the norm that motivated
you to post these days, rather than the same old axes you grind. :-(



FAS is a real
Post by Bob
tragedy without question. But it seems in this day and age compassion
is in short supply, and not only in the US. It also appears you have an
axe to grind so I'll leave you to it. Have fun.
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Skeezix LaRocca
2024-08-22 20:30:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by badgolferman
Post by Bob
OK Mr AA
Leave your dictionary in your shithouse, and ask yourself, why on
earth would two words have an absolutely identical meaning pertaining
to a prospect for AA?
Maybe for the same reason "spiritual awakening", "spiritual
experience", "psychic change", "personality change" all have the same
meaning.
Now back to the regular topic. Should people getting rides be expected
to pay for gas? I already gave you my take. What's yours?
I have never charged anyone for a ride, but there are people I will not
give a ride to.
--
We all do better when we all do better.

Paul Wellstone
Skeezix LaRocca
2024-08-22 20:28:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by badgolferman
Post by Charlie M. 1958
Post by badgolferman
I once had a conversation with a friend who suggested people who
get rides to meetings should either offer or be charged gas money.
His point was they should become responsible for their own sobriety
and stop depending on handouts. We disagreed on the idea that they
should be asked for money, but if they offered it then it should be
accepted. I made the point that giving rides to meetings is a form
of 12th Step work and it benefits the driver too.
What are your thoughts?
For the most part I agree with you. But at some point you have to
make a distinction between a fellow alcoholic in need of a ride, and
a deadbeat who is still using people.
Not that I disagree with you, but that sounds like judging our fellow
alcoholics! Some people don't like it when I've pointed out passages
in the Big Book which also tell us to judge others.
"If you are satisfied that he is a real alcoholic, begin to dwell on
the hopeless feature of the malady." Page 92
Sometimes, unless you love being taken advantage of, you need to judge
people..You have people that will take, take, and take, and will never
do anything for others... Fuck them.
--
We all do better when we all do better.

Paul Wellstone
Skeezix LaRocca
2024-08-22 20:25:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Charlie M. 1958
Post by badgolferman
I once had a conversation with a friend who suggested people who get rides
to meetings should either offer or be charged gas money. His point was they
should become responsible for their own sobriety and stop depending on
handouts. We disagreed on the idea that they should be asked for money, but
if they offered it then it should be accepted. I made the point that giving
rides to meetings is a form of 12th Step work and it benefits the driver
too.
What are your thoughts?
For the most part I agree with you. But at some point you have to make a
distinction between a fellow alcoholic in need of a ride, and a deadbeat
who is still using people.
Exactly !
--
We all do better when we all do better.

Paul Wellstone
Sharx335
2024-08-22 23:44:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by badgolferman
I once had a conversation with a friend who suggested people who get rides
to meetings should either offer or be charged gas money. His point was they
should become responsible for their own sobriety and stop depending on
handouts. We disagreed on the idea that they should be asked for money, but
if they offered it then it should be accepted. I made the point that giving
rides to meetings is a form of 12th Step work and it benefits the driver
too.
What are your thoughts?
Some years ago an old codger offered me $5 to give him a lift home from
meetings. He was far from being poor but, at the time, I was not rolling
in dough. So I accepted his offer. Years later, when he became demented,
I heard reports that he was accusing me of ripping him off. WTF.
Sharx335
2024-08-22 23:45:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by badgolferman
I once had a conversation with a friend who suggested people who get rides
to meetings should either offer or be charged gas money. His point was they
should become responsible for their own sobriety and stop depending on
handouts. We disagreed on the idea that they should be asked for money, but
if they offered it then it should be accepted. I made the point that giving
rides to meetings is a form of 12th Step work and it benefits the driver
too.
What are your thoughts?
I should add to my previous response--He was near a bus route to his
home and my giving him a lift was fully in the opposite direction of my
own home.
Socrates
2024-08-23 00:02:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sharx335
Post by badgolferman
I once had a conversation with a friend who suggested people who get rides
to meetings should either offer or be charged gas money. His point was they
should become responsible for their own sobriety and stop depending on
handouts. We disagreed on the idea that they should be asked for money, but
if they offered it then it should be accepted. I made the point that giving
rides to meetings is a form of 12th Step work and it benefits the driver
too.
What are your thoughts?
I should add to my previous response--He was near a bus route to his
home and my giving him a lift was fully in the opposite direction of my
own home.
Isn't that where the spiritual awakening comes in handy?
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