Discussion:
Scientific Establishment Is Turning 'Science’ Into a Dogmatic Tool of Oppression
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badgolferman
2024-09-11 11:13:12 UTC
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The COVID era has been difficult for scientists whose ideas run against the
grain of powerful scientific and government bureaucracies. Even for
university scientists with unblemished reputations in the before times, the
price of speaking up has been vilification by social media companies, the
media, and, unfortunately, even scientific journals and our fellow
scientists. It is a wonder that any scientists dared to speak out, with
only their commitment to the truth as a reason to do so.

In a recent letter to the House, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg wrote that
the Biden-Harris administration "repeatedly pressured" his social media
empire to censor speech it didn't like. His company often acceded to those
demands, and "with the benefit of hindsight and new information,"
Zuckerberg now admits it was wrong. At the behest of the government,
Zuckerberg's Facebook censored even true speech about dangerous
gain-of-function research, school closures, and COVID-19 vaccine injuries.

No scientist wants the information they share on social media to be labeled
as "misinformation" or to have their accounts suspended for scientific
speech, which Zuckerberg's under-qualified censors often did. Such labels
represent a direct smear on scientists' reputations—the coin of the realm
in science; as a consequence of this censorship regime, many scientists opt
to stay silent or watch from the sidelines, not being willing to risk such
a label.

Meanwhile, scientists who do choose to participate in debates about science
or public health policy are met with slanderous attacks, not just by social
media companies but by scientist bruisers who lobby accusations of racism,
sexism, antisemitism, false allegations of conflicts of interest, and even
mass murder at us rather than engage in good faith debate. The public, who
would benefit from sober, reasoned discourse, is instead presented with
bluster from scientific bullies who intimidate their targets into silence.

We've both experienced it firsthand.

One of the authors of this piece, Jay Bhattacharya, coauthored the Great
Barrington Declaration (GBD) in October of 2020, which called for the
focused protection of the vulnerable elderly, for opening schools, and for
lifting lockdowns. In response, the prestigious British Medical Journal
(BMJ) published a piece falsely alleging that the GBD had received support
from the dreaded Koch brothers. In Left-leaning academia, such an
accusation is like the mark of Cain, and many scientists feared associating
with the GBD as a result, though they agreed with its ideas.

correction to the article because there was no Koch funding for the GBD.
But the defamatory damage was already done, and many scientists stayed
silent as schools closed and children were harmed, even though they knew
better. They did not want to be similarly smeared.

Next month, a conference will be held at Stanford University, featuring
civil discussions among scientists who differ on how best to manage
pandemics and prevent their occurrence. Four-plus years into the COVID-era,
it is far past time for such a discussion.

https://www.newsweek.com/scientific-establishment-turning-science-dogmatic-tool-oppression-opinion-1949865
Bob
2024-09-11 11:35:44 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
The COVID era has been difficult for scientists whose ideas run against the
grain of powerful scientific and government bureaucracies. Even for
university scientists with unblemished reputations in the before times, the
price of speaking up has been vilification by social media companies, the
media, and, unfortunately, even scientific journals and our fellow
scientists. It is a wonder that any scientists dared to speak out, with
only their commitment to the truth as a reason to do so.
In a recent letter to the House, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg wrote that
the Biden-Harris administration "repeatedly pressured" his social media
empire to censor speech it didn't like. His company often acceded to those
demands, and "with the benefit of hindsight and new information,"
Zuckerberg now admits it was wrong. At the behest of the government,
Zuckerberg's Facebook censored even true speech about dangerous
gain-of-function research, school closures, and COVID-19 vaccine injuries.
No scientist wants the information they share on social media to be labeled
as "misinformation" or to have their accounts suspended for scientific
speech, which Zuckerberg's under-qualified censors often did. Such labels
represent a direct smear on scientists' reputations—the coin of the realm
in science; as a consequence of this censorship regime, many scientists opt
to stay silent or watch from the sidelines, not being willing to risk such
a label.
Meanwhile, scientists who do choose to participate in debates about science
or public health policy are met with slanderous attacks, not just by social
media companies but by scientist bruisers who lobby accusations of racism,
sexism, antisemitism, false allegations of conflicts of interest, and even
mass murder at us rather than engage in good faith debate. The public, who
would benefit from sober, reasoned discourse, is instead presented with
bluster from scientific bullies who intimidate their targets into silence.
We've both experienced it firsthand.
One of the authors of this piece, Jay Bhattacharya, coauthored the Great
Barrington Declaration (GBD) in October of 2020, which called for the
focused protection of the vulnerable elderly, for opening schools, and for
lifting lockdowns. In response, the prestigious British Medical Journal
(BMJ) published a piece falsely alleging that the GBD had received support
from the dreaded Koch brothers. In Left-leaning academia, such an
accusation is like the mark of Cain, and many scientists feared associating
with the GBD as a result, though they agreed with its ideas.
correction to the article because there was no Koch funding for the GBD.
But the defamatory damage was already done, and many scientists stayed
silent as schools closed and children were harmed, even though they knew
better. They did not want to be similarly smeared.
Next month, a conference will be held at Stanford University, featuring
civil discussions among scientists who differ on how best to manage
pandemics and prevent their occurrence. Four-plus years into the COVID-era,
it is far past time for such a discussion.
https://www.newsweek.com/scientific-establishment-turning-science-dogmatic-tool-oppression-opinion-1949865
OK Oblio, if you say so. ;-)
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Socrates
2024-09-11 18:14:38 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Next month, a conference will be held at Stanford University, featuring
civil discussions among scientists who differ on how best to manage
pandemics and prevent their occurrence. Four-plus years into the
COVID-era, it is far past time for such a discussion.
https://www.newsweek.com/scientific-establishment-turning-science-dogmatic-tool-oppression-opinion-1949865
OK Oblio, if you say so. ;-)
"He's got a point there."
Sharx335
2024-09-11 20:10:23 UTC
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Post by Socrates
<snip>
Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Next month, a conference will be held at Stanford University, featuring
civil discussions among scientists who differ on how best to manage
pandemics and prevent their occurrence. Four-plus years into the
COVID-era, it is far past time for such a discussion.
https://www.newsweek.com/scientific-establishment-turning-science-
dogmatic-tool-oppression-opinion-1949865
OK Oblio, if you say so. ;-)
"He's got a point there."
I actually clicked on the link and read the whole article twice.
Impressive. There is some hope.
Bob
2024-09-12 03:30:24 UTC
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Post by Socrates
<snip>
Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Next month, a conference will be held at Stanford University, featuring
civil discussions among scientists who differ on how best to manage
pandemics and prevent their occurrence. Four-plus years into the
COVID-era, it is far past time for such a discussion.
https://www.newsweek.com/scientific-establishment-turning-science-dogmatic-tool-oppression-opinion-1949865
OK Oblio, if you say so. ;-)
"He's got a point there."
From first arriving here, I pressed that particular scientific point as
part of my then Luddite ideology, untill accepting that in doing so I was
pointlessly proving myself to be pointless, so at last, I had found a
point. :-)
Socrates
2024-09-12 04:22:44 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Socrates
<snip>
Post by Bob
Post by badgolferman
Next month, a conference will be held at Stanford University, featuring
civil discussions among scientists who differ on how best to manage
pandemics and prevent their occurrence. Four-plus years into the
COVID-era, it is far past time for such a discussion.
https://www.newsweek.com/scientific-establishment-turning-science-dogmatic-tool-oppression-opinion-1949865
OK Oblio, if you say so. ;-)
"He's got a point there."
From first arriving here, I pressed that particular scientific point as
part of my then Luddite ideology, until accepting that in doing so I was
pointlessly proving myself to be pointless, so at last, I had found a
point. :-)


Sharx335
2024-09-11 16:52:30 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
The COVID era has been difficult for scientists whose ideas run against the
grain of powerful scientific and government bureaucracies. Even for
university scientists with unblemished reputations in the before times, the
price of speaking up has been vilification by social media companies, the
media, and, unfortunately, even scientific journals and our fellow
scientists. It is a wonder that any scientists dared to speak out, with
only their commitment to the truth as a reason to do so.
In a recent letter to the House, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg wrote that
the Biden-Harris administration "repeatedly pressured" his social media
empire to censor speech it didn't like. His company often acceded to those
demands, and "with the benefit of hindsight and new information,"
Zuckerberg now admits it was wrong. At the behest of the government,
Zuckerberg's Facebook censored even true speech about dangerous
gain-of-function research, school closures, and COVID-19 vaccine injuries.
No scientist wants the information they share on social media to be labeled
as "misinformation" or to have their accounts suspended for scientific
speech, which Zuckerberg's under-qualified censors often did. Such labels
represent a direct smear on scientists' reputations—the coin of the realm
in science; as a consequence of this censorship regime, many scientists opt
to stay silent or watch from the sidelines, not being willing to risk such
a label.
Meanwhile, scientists who do choose to participate in debates about science
or public health policy are met with slanderous attacks, not just by social
media companies but by scientist bruisers who lobby accusations of racism,
sexism, antisemitism, false allegations of conflicts of interest, and even
mass murder at us rather than engage in good faith debate. The public, who
would benefit from sober, reasoned discourse, is instead presented with
bluster from scientific bullies who intimidate their targets into silence.
We've both experienced it firsthand.
One of the authors of this piece, Jay Bhattacharya, coauthored the Great
Barrington Declaration (GBD) in October of 2020, which called for the
focused protection of the vulnerable elderly, for opening schools, and for
lifting lockdowns. In response, the prestigious British Medical Journal
(BMJ) published a piece falsely alleging that the GBD had received support
from the dreaded Koch brothers. In Left-leaning academia, such an
accusation is like the mark of Cain, and many scientists feared associating
with the GBD as a result, though they agreed with its ideas.
correction to the article because there was no Koch funding for the GBD.
But the defamatory damage was already done, and many scientists stayed
silent as schools closed and children were harmed, even though they knew
better. They did not want to be similarly smeared.
Next month, a conference will be held at Stanford University, featuring
civil discussions among scientists who differ on how best to manage
pandemics and prevent their occurrence. Four-plus years into the COVID-era,
it is far past time for such a discussion.
https://www.newsweek.com/scientific-establishment-turning-science-dogmatic-tool-oppression-opinion-1949865
Thanks for that post. It is incredible how many people, usually liberals
and other lefties, have bought into the bullshit. WTF do they have for
brains? Talk about Chicken Littles.
badgolferman
2024-09-11 19:02:12 UTC
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Post by Sharx335
Post by badgolferman
The COVID era has been difficult for scientists whose ideas run
against the grain of powerful scientific and government
bureaucracies. Even for university scientists with unblemished
reputations in the before times, the price of speaking up has been
vilification by social media companies, the media, and,
unfortunately, even scientific journals and our fellow scientists.
It is a wonder that any scientists dared to speak out, with only
their commitment to the truth as a reason to do so.
that the Biden-Harris administration "repeatedly pressured" his
social media empire to censor speech it didn't like. His company
often acceded to those demands, and "with the benefit of hindsight
and new information," Zuckerberg now admits it was wrong. At the
behest of the government, Zuckerberg's Facebook censored even true
speech about dangerous gain-of-function research, school closures,
and COVID-19 vaccine injuries.
No scientist wants the information they share on social media to be
labeled as "misinformation" or to have their accounts suspended for
scientific speech, which Zuckerberg's under-qualified censors often
did. Such labels represent a direct smear on scientists'
reputations—the coin of the realm in science; as a consequence of
this censorship regime, many scientists opt to stay silent or watch
from the sidelines, not being willing to risk such a label.
Meanwhile, scientists who do choose to participate in debates about
science or public health policy are met with slanderous attacks,
not just by social media companies but by scientist bruisers who
lobby accusations of racism, sexism, antisemitism, false
allegations of conflicts of interest, and even mass murder at us
rather than engage in good faith debate. The public, who would
benefit from sober, reasoned discourse, is instead presented with
bluster from scientific bullies who intimidate their targets into silence.
We've both experienced it firsthand.
One of the authors of this piece, Jay Bhattacharya, coauthored the
Great Barrington Declaration (GBD) in October of 2020, which called
for the focused protection of the vulnerable elderly, for opening
schools, and for lifting lockdowns. In response, the prestigious
British Medical Journal (BMJ) published a piece falsely alleging
that the GBD had received support from the dreaded Koch brothers.
In Left-leaning academia, such an accusation is like the mark of
Cain, and many scientists feared associating with the GBD as a
result, though they agreed with its ideas.
correction to the article because there was no Koch funding for the
GBD. But the defamatory damage was already done, and many
scientists stayed silent as schools closed and children were
harmed, even though they knew better. They did not want to be
similarly smeared.
Next month, a conference will be held at Stanford University,
featuring civil discussions among scientists who differ on how best
to manage pandemics and prevent their occurrence. Four-plus years
into the COVID-era, it is far past time for such a discussion.
https://www.newsweek.com/scientific-establishment-turning-science-dogmatic-tool-oppression-opinion-1949865
Thanks for that post. It is incredible how many people, usually
liberals and other lefties, have bought into the bullshit. WTF do
they have for brains? Talk about Chicken Littles.
This is very common in the scientific community. If you do not support
the prevalent theories or those of your superiors, you won't be asked
to perform peer reviews and/or no one will review your papers. Without
that your career is over. Only the scientists who have established
themselves or so-called "mavericks" dare go against the group think.
That's how you get *consensus*!
Sharx335
2024-09-11 20:11:31 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
Post by Sharx335
Post by badgolferman
The COVID era has been difficult for scientists whose ideas run
against the grain of powerful scientific and government
bureaucracies. Even for university scientists with unblemished
reputations in the before times, the price of speaking up has been
vilification by social media companies, the media, and,
unfortunately, even scientific journals and our fellow scientists.
It is a wonder that any scientists dared to speak out, with only
their commitment to the truth as a reason to do so.
that the Biden-Harris administration "repeatedly pressured" his
social media empire to censor speech it didn't like. His company
often acceded to those demands, and "with the benefit of hindsight
and new information," Zuckerberg now admits it was wrong. At the
behest of the government, Zuckerberg's Facebook censored even true
speech about dangerous gain-of-function research, school closures,
and COVID-19 vaccine injuries.
No scientist wants the information they share on social media to be
labeled as "misinformation" or to have their accounts suspended for
scientific speech, which Zuckerberg's under-qualified censors often
did. Such labels represent a direct smear on scientists'
reputations—the coin of the realm in science; as a consequence of
this censorship regime, many scientists opt to stay silent or watch
from the sidelines, not being willing to risk such a label.
Meanwhile, scientists who do choose to participate in debates about
science or public health policy are met with slanderous attacks,
not just by social media companies but by scientist bruisers who
lobby accusations of racism, sexism, antisemitism, false
allegations of conflicts of interest, and even mass murder at us
rather than engage in good faith debate. The public, who would
benefit from sober, reasoned discourse, is instead presented with
bluster from scientific bullies who intimidate their targets into silence.
We've both experienced it firsthand.
One of the authors of this piece, Jay Bhattacharya, coauthored the
Great Barrington Declaration (GBD) in October of 2020, which called
for the focused protection of the vulnerable elderly, for opening
schools, and for lifting lockdowns. In response, the prestigious
British Medical Journal (BMJ) published a piece falsely alleging
that the GBD had received support from the dreaded Koch brothers.
In Left-leaning academia, such an accusation is like the mark of
Cain, and many scientists feared associating with the GBD as a
result, though they agreed with its ideas.
correction to the article because there was no Koch funding for the
GBD. But the defamatory damage was already done, and many
scientists stayed silent as schools closed and children were
harmed, even though they knew better. They did not want to be
similarly smeared.
Next month, a conference will be held at Stanford University,
featuring civil discussions among scientists who differ on how best
to manage pandemics and prevent their occurrence. Four-plus years
into the COVID-era, it is far past time for such a discussion.
https://www.newsweek.com/scientific-establishment-turning-science-dogmatic-tool-oppression-opinion-1949865
Thanks for that post. It is incredible how many people, usually
liberals and other lefties, have bought into the bullshit. WTF do
they have for brains? Talk about Chicken Littles.
This is very common in the scientific community. If you do not support
the prevalent theories or those of your superiors, you won't be asked
to perform peer reviews and/or no one will review your papers. Without
that your career is over. Only the scientists who have established
themselves or so-called "mavericks" dare go against the group think.
That's how you get *consensus*!
Yes, I found that link very interesting.
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